global warming is changing the weather

[ritecoastsurfer3]

Global warming is effecting us the question is how much of it is due to our impact which with all the billions of cars zooming around all day something has to give. Anyway, if it's effects include all these south winds I hate it. A perfetcly good northeast swell is going to get shredded by the south wind tommorrow, whatever happened to west after a storm? I'm only 21 but I sound old when I say back in my day there'd be a noreaster for 2-3 days then it'd go west and all the breaks in our are would be sick with a NORTHEAST swell not SE, or SE and NE, just NE! I mean come on the water is piss right now, novemeber starts next week! Not that I mind that but this sucks I'm going out in the chop and slop today just so I can go left. Sorry just checked the forecast and was like WTF but yes the south swell last saturday was awesome because it was one swell with a west wind.

[Swellinfo]

Check out the other similar threads on this topic in this forum - a bunch of people have been bringing this up. Do a forum search for "global warming" or the like (click on search on the top forum nav bar).

We are having an above average temperature month for October, but climatologically speaking you don't want to base one swell event or one month of temperatures on a large scale phenomenon like global warming. But, rather you look at long term trends in years, decades, and longer.

I've been forecasting surf for about 10 years now and there is absolutely nothing abnormal about the current swell we are seeing. Check out the swellinfo pressure maps. We have a high pressure hovered over the northeast, which is combining with a small surface low off the southeast coast to create a substantial NE pressure gradient. A storm system is anticipated to develop north of the Gulf of the Mexico and push its way towards the Northeast through the weekend. This will allow winds to shift southerly and potentially allow for an offshore shift as the system moves off the coast (pending on track of the low).

[capetownsurfer]

According to the weather channel this is an el nino year. Which mean more storms in the Pacific, less in the Atlantic, and warmer temps. Which we have had, not that it has anything to do with this storm system, but it has effected the amount of swell we've had this year. So its most likely not global warming thats making our waves suck.

[Swellinfo]

just keep in mind that the global climate is all connected.

So what we call "teleconnections", such as El Nino is of course going to be impacted by a global warming influence. I dont know enough about the direct correlation tho... but I believe the frequency of el nino events have increased in the recent decade or two ...

Have you heard of the so called butterfly effect?
So, where a small change in an initial condition, will impact the whole system. A butterfly flapping its wings, could change the outcome of a hurricane event??

[wallysurfr]

I deal with PhD geologists on a daily basis and when I ask them about global warming they laugh and tell me that anyone who knows anything about the earth knows that global warming is not even a topic of discussion.

Plus it is not the scapegoat for why the wind is going to go south after this NorEaster blows through.

I paddled out last night North end Spring Lake and had some fun in the chop. A lot of speed and some good size. Of course I'd rather have spitting barrels, but it's jerZ, I'm happy anytime it isn't ankle high...

[Swellinfo]

I deal with PhD geologists on a daily basis and when I ask them about global warming they laugh and tell me that anyone who knows anything about the earth knows that global warming is not even a topic of discussion.


I dont believe this...

but, then again geologists are a unique bunch of creatures, generally focused more on the past then the future...

[wallysurfr]

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070315&articleId=5086

There's a couple articles

they basically say that CO2 is not causing global warming but our warming trends are caused by the sun. Other planets in our solar system are seeing the same changes. Not trying to spark any kind of controversy but I'd believe a scientist over a politician anyday.

[ritecoastsurfer3]

Im just being fecisious(sp?) with the global warming affecting us in this particual year but the south wind and swell filtering into every chance we get to have a NE swell alone is pissing me off. As far as global warming being enhanced by cars and stuff whats the difference what about all the crap thats coming out of the exhaust pipes thats directly measurable and stopping that is good anyway. Remeber Long Island was formed by a glacier well at least the geoligists say so so they must believe in global warming cuz im, surfing in 68 degree water today.

[South Bethany]

I dont believe this...

but, then again geologists are a unique bunch of creatures, generally focused more on the past then the future...

I believe it and have run into the same thing....geologists typically think in terms of climatological trends lasting tens of thousands of years or more....

Ice ages
geological epochs
climate changes brought on by meteors spewing tons of dust in to the air

They look at a few decades worth of data showing human induced CO2 increases and possible temperature increases and regard it as a tiny blip (noise) in a much larger trend of massive warming and hundreds of feet of sea level rise since the end of the last ice age.

[jay cagney]

well lets not forget about global cooling. while global warming may be happening, we are also loosing the amount of sunlight we get each year, as a result of all the pollution were putting up there

and for pollution from cars, i heard once that eating one less hamburger a week will have a much greater effect on helping the environment then not driving, because of the mass quantity of livestock that give off gas

[goin_retro]

More food for thought...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq_Bj-av3g0&eurl=http://www.cei.org/pages/co2.cfm

http://www.cei.org/pages/co2.cfm

[chong]

Wadda kook, if geologists suggested that you read those articles their doctorates are highly in question. Sounds to me like you listen to a bit too much right-wing talk radio. Clam up Rush...

[sqwigy6]

Don't quote me but it's my understanding that Earth goes through Ice Ages every certain amount of years, 10,000 is what I heard. Apparently it is on the tail end of the latest Ice Age. The only question I see is whether or not the rate at which it is changing is abnormally fast. But I'm pretty sure there isn't enough prehistoric data to determine the previous rates, so, yeah...

[Swellinfo]

many climatological studies correlate an increase of global avg temperature with the rise in C02 levels since the industrial revolution and especially since the mid 1900's.

[CharlieInOC]

Many "climatetoligists" would also disagree. This is a well orchastrated political propaganda scheme. Most people speaking about this subject know little or nothing about it. Those that do will tell you that we really have no idea if mankind is causing anything.

[Swellinfo]

Many "climatetoligists" would also disagree. This is a well orchastrated political propaganda scheme. Most people speaking about this subject know little or nothing about it. Those that do will tell you that we really have no idea if mankind is causing anything.

I respectively disagree. I spent 4 years in graduate school in one of the only climatology departments in the country. So, I am not speaking from personal opinion, but rather from a collective understanding of the popular research going on.

There is one outspoken skeptic in the department, and through his research he says that the data is just not conclusive enough to indicate a definitely increase in a global average temperature. Studies like this are very valuable, but the majority of scientists looking at the climate disagree with him.

Most scientific studies, aren't solely going to prove or disprove a theory, but when we get a large collection of studies on a particular area than we can start to form opinions.

My strong personal opinion is that we will never be 100% certain that a global warming influence is currently or is going to cause devastating effects on the climate, but since much evidence points to these kind of possibilities, wouldn't it be worth it to change to a clean, alternative resources?? EVEN IF WERE WRONG, I think it is worth making these changes, due to the POTENTIAL significant impact we may be causing. There's no easy solution for this change, but it is undoubtedly possible.

Sorry for the ranting.

[South Bethany]

Most people speaking about this subject know little or nothing about it.
I think you're right about that...

[Chris Joyner]

I think you're right about that...

In fact, humans as a species know little about this or anything to do with the world for that matter. How many other countries are talking about this issue?

[ritecoastsurfer3]

all that "political propoganda" about cleaner cars, cleaner air is just soo wrong. . .even though the south wind/swell crossed up the northeast it was sweet here in jersey wiast-shoulder occ head and barrels galore, i was quite impressed, listen to mr swellinfo man he is very wise

[chong]

Yeah, we arent affecting the rates of climate change yeah...

We dont have much info on prehistoric climatological changes... yeah.

Give me a break... I wonder what the average level of education is here on this board?

****ing burned out minds filled with uninformed opinions fostered by idiot right wing radio here on the shore.

[steelwave42]

Yeah, we arent affecting the rates of climate change yeah...

We dont have much info on prehistoric climatological changes... yeah.

Give me a break... I wonder what the average level of education is here on this board?

****ing burned out minds filled with uninformed opinions fostered by idiot right wing radio here on the shore.

Yes, the level of brainwashing is surely at an alarming rate.

It is amazing that people refuse to realize the human-nature relashonship change that took place last century. It is far too soon to know our effect, and when, or if some drastic change happens, it will be too late. That's the way of the world.

It is merely common sense. When you draw from something living, it will adapt to make up for the shortage. We are meant to use our natural resources, but not at the rate we have been. If you add to something living it will become bloated and get distorted. The petrochemical revolution is all that needs to be said of the latter (from landfills to cars).

Most of us were born into this rush-of-a-life society that was created. That's why I usually like the people I meet in the water. We tend to be more laid back because we have something to be grateful for and something which connects us to nature. We're lucky.

Put whatever label you want on it, the problem is a result of greedy, complacent people.

There's some fat for everyone to chew on.:p

[ritecoastsurfer3]

Complacency is the word as long as people are fat dumb and happy with big gas tanks, donuts and britney spears nothing is going to change but then why don't the oil giants invest and throw some money at alternative energy i mean they save billions by not having to advertise, or stop offering HUMMERS for heavens sake and do some R&D about a vehicle as "cool" as a hummer but that gets better mileage or something i mean the motor has been around for quite a long time and this is the best combination of power and efficiency? Well whatever looks like another saturday swell, I'll escape from the madness and retardation of society in a brown jersey barrel this weekend. . .

[Swellinfo]

Complacency is the word as long as people are fat dumb and happy with big gas tanks, donuts and britney spears nothing is going to change but then why don't the oil giants invest and throw some money at alternative energy i mean they save billions by not having to advertise, or stop offering HUMMERS for heavens sake and do some R&D about a vehicle as "cool" as a hummer but that gets better mileage or something i mean the motor has been around for quite a long time and this is the best combination of power and efficiency? Well whatever looks like another saturday swell, I'll escape from the madness and retardation of society in a brown jersey barrel this weekend. . .

Preach it. I would add greedy and short sitedness to the list.

[chong]

Heres the short answer. People suck.

Even if global warming turned out to be a total hoax... There is nothing but good that can come from cleaning up and conserving for the future.

And these days, the opinions of the uninformed, opinionated and the rich, politically powerful weigh much more than those of the educated and informed.

The best is when the anti-environmentalists begin to blame the educational systems and non-corporate sponsored scientists for the theories.

Peer review my friends, peer review is the most important factor.

[wontonwonton]

Stop complaining.


1, we have had two great weekends in a row. You arent now entitled to great waves every day.
2, go to a jetty like oc inlet and NSIRI that blocks the chop but still has all the swell.
3, for example, last weekend i was at NSIRI in the morning because the south winds made everything too blown out everywhere else. The jetty was a filter which made it just clean waist/chest lines. Then when the wind switched, i had the luxury to go to dumps and have a great session with 3 others at the whole beach. so many perfect spitting waves went unridden. I got all the others.

Dont cry, just surf wether it is flat, knee high, or overhead and epic. It is still better than school or work.

[superdude]

i didn't get the waves i payed for!
i want my money back brah!
haha...
yeah i have to agree with wonton... as a surfer you should be used to the act of adapting to the changing patterns.... always looking for that glassy shoulder... enjoying the challenges involved in the attempt to ride the rhythms of the atom. it beats the shart out of school and work for sure.

[ritecoastsurfer3]

agreed totally with you guys surfing beats the crap out of anything else and these swells have been sick everyweekend but there's certain breaks around here in jersey that get realy realy good in straight NE swell that's all but i have no complaints and im not going to drive to OCMD for wind protection from a jetty, going for 3 saturdays in a row!

[chong]

killer, keep your retarded nj ass away from here, we got too many moron western shore idiots that make the drive too often already.