"Spread the Wealth/Waves"

[LateTakeOff]

You've worked extremely hard to pay your dues - surfing. You now have the strength, stamina and confidence to paddle out through thick overhead beachbreak barrels and score 25 - 30 waves in a three hour session. But you're getting way more than your share! While you're scoring a wave every six minutes, some other surfers who have not put in the time/work are having to wait 30 minutes or more between waves. Gee, wouldn't it be better for all if we spread the wealth/waves and awarded 20 of your hard-earned paddle-for-position takeoffs to your fellow surfers? Wouldn't that make it a better world? Do we really want a president and congress with that mentality? :confused:

[adowcett]

BULLSH*T. 99% OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY MAINTAIN CLOSE TO 50% OF THE WEALTH? Do you think that that's a little bit messed up? No? I am sick of hearing that anybody who has money worked hard to earn it, and anybody that doesn't is a freeloading piece of crap, CAUSE THAT IS SURE AS HELL NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. What about the single mother that's working three jobs and trying to keep her four kids in school. Doesn't she need a tax cut? HELL YEAH. And all of this, "I earned what I have". BULLSH*T. How many people do you know that are wealthy that did not come from wealthy families? I'm sure if you gave that single mother enough money to go some Ivy League school and the opportunities those kids have, she wouldn't be in the place she's in. And doesn't anybody else think it's time for change, look at the state of this country. Bush's approval ratings are at a wonderful 22 percent, the economy is down the crapper, and we are spending close to 4,000 dollars a second on a war against a mentality. And John McCain was right their voting alongside him 90% of the time. And I hope you guys, as surfers, care about the environment. Obama has been endorsed by every major environmental agency. And to all the hardworking people on here making less than 250K that need a break, pick out a new board because you are about to get a nice tax cut. We need an end to the past 8 years, not the beginning of another 4. OBAMA 08.

[lcyrusphotography]

what about the people that can work and choose to mooch off the government?....you can't lump everyone in together and say "these people suck...they are rich..im poor and i want your money"...or i want them to be taxed more than me. Look at the wealthiest people in America...are they that way because they got lucky? no...they worked hard...Donald Trump...holy ****...a genius American..took what he knew and used it to his advantage to make billions upon billions... You know what you call when the government makes people that have lots of money give tons of it away??? SOCIALISM...you can't hate other people just because they have money. The means to do so are out there. Thats what makes where we live great. Our country was founded on poor people that eventually got sick of being poor. Yea there are people that "fall into" money and get lucky and then there are people who really try hard...on the same hand you have people who try really hard not to be dirt poor and wind up middle class and then you have people that don't give a **** and just live on welfare...thats not american...we need to take responsibility for our own actions...worry about your own fiscal responsibility and stop passing the buck on others. Our economy rests our the shoulders of the American people...not the government. The sooner we realize that the sooner we will be back on track.

[eclipse13]

I used to work at a fish market downtown. I was see people drive up in an Escalade on 22" chrome wheels, wearing Babyphat jeans, and carrying a Coach handbag, talking on a brand new cell phone. Then they would whip out their food stamps and buy $75 worth of crabs. Now you tell me if the welfare system is warped?


I agree completely with lcycrusphotography. People don't want to take responsibility for themselves. They want the government to supply everything for them. Most people that are poor are there because they made bad decisions. And what happens when you make bad decisions? You get bad consequences.

[ledzepfreak]

BULLSH*T. 99% OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY MAINTAIN CLOSE TO 50% OF THE WEALTH? Do you think that that's a little bit messed up? No? I am sick of hearing that anybody who has money worked hard to earn it, and anybody that doesn't is a freeloading piece of crap, CAUSE THAT IS SURE AS HELL NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. What about the single mother that's working three jobs and trying to keep her four kids in school. Doesn't she need a tax cut? HELL YEAH. And all of this, "I earned what I have". BULLSH*T. How many people do you know that are wealthy that did not come from wealthy families? I'm sure if you gave that single mother enough money to go some Ivy League school and the opportunities those kids have, she wouldn't be in the place she's in. And doesn't anybody else think it's time for change, look at the state of this country. Bush's approval ratings are at a wonderful 22 percent, the economy is down the crapper, and we are spending close to 4,000 dollars a second on a war against a mentality. And John McCain was right their voting alongside him 90% of the time. And I hope you guys, as surfers, care about the environment. Obama has been endorsed by every major environmental agency. And to all the hardworking people on here making less than 250K that need a break, pick out a new board because you are about to get a nice tax cut. We need an end to the past 8 years, not the beginning of another 4. OBAMA 08.

I agree with you. For some reason I'm taking contemporary world issues at school but I have learned a lot about the two candidates. What reall y disturbs me is that two of my friends (landlubbers) are mind-set on McCain? Why? Because they don't look for the facts and only look at what's easiest to see - what the fricken media shows them (internet, t.v., newspaper). In order to make a good choice, you have to look at what they want to do based on facts and listen to the debate (but ALL polititcians lie). I am open to any president, and after I saw Obama's plans v. McCain, it was a no-brainer. Obama wants to reduce carbon emmisions by 80% and double fuel efficiency for vehicles. Also, he isn't dredger-happy and will only resort to oil-drilling for temporary relief for alternative energy funds. McCain on the other hand doesn't give squat about out planet and only has enviromental plans to please the public, (but Obama's taking more action).
Now, back to the lying, all politicians lie. So if you say "Obama lies" get your head out of your A$$!!! Also, Obama isn't the Anti-christ like the bible says, why? Because the bible and other books like that always talk in metaphors or riddles... I doubt God would straight up say: "A black president will kill you." NO! Prophecy bull-crap. It's just an excuse to mess up Obama.

I know that many of the things mentioned here weren't mentioned by anyone else, but I wanted to get everything out that I've heard people say.

Just think head-high, glassy, barreling waves... covered in sludge. Or the air too toxic to breathe in for extended periods of time. Or the absence of the pod of dolphins you see every morning. We better start being smart because our planet is beautiful in it's natural state.

[lcyrusphotography]

and people that make the kind of comments above me are the same people that will piss away a tax break. Ronald Reagan's administration has proved that tax cuts for the top 10% works. And anyone who says RR was a ****ty president obviously needs a reality check. He managed to help our country out of damn near a depression. The 80's were much worse then how things are right now. and to ADWOCETT or whatever your name is? do you carry a balance of more then 100 dollars on your credit cards?? do you have more than 2 credit cards? do you save money? do you reinvest the money you save into the economy? People ***** so much and most of the time the people that ***** are the ones that are maxing out credit cards, not paying there bills, defaulting on car loans...Do you actually pay attention to whats goin on or do you just regurgitate whatever dumbass thing you hear on CNN or FOX. How about giving us a original thought and not one we have heard over and over and over again on the news... if you care about American look at candidates like Bob Barr or Ron Paul because both mccain and obama will further drag our nation down....so i'm done...whats up with this flat spell?? Hole - E - ****

[ledzepfreak]

I agree that welfare is kinda giving the lazy a free-pass, but what if something happened to you, and you ended up on welfare. Anyways, it's against the law to be on welfare your whole life. You have to find a job.

I agree more with Obama's fiscal plan because he's highering taxes for the rich and Obama doesn't support big oil companies who or too greedy to give a rat's rump about the environment. The rich can afford higher taxes. It effects lower-income families a lot more than high-income. And in our massive financial crisis, you have to raise some taxes, how is the government suppossed to pay back the $9 trillion debt? It's ineveitable, but the rich can afford it.

[ledzepfreak]

and people that make the kind of comments above me are the same people that will piss away a tax break. Ronald Reagan's administration has proved that tax cuts for the top 10% works. And anyone who says RR was a ****ty president obviously needs a reality check. He managed to help our country out of damn near a depression. The 80's were much worse then how things are right now. and to ADWOCETT or whatever your name is? do you carry a balance of more then 100 dollars on your credit cards?? do you have more than 2 credit cards? do you save money? do you reinvest the money you save into the economy? People ***** so much and most of the time the people that ***** are the ones that are maxing out credit cards, not paying there bills, defaulting on car loans...Do you actually pay attention to whats goin on or do you just regurgitate whatever dumbass thing you hear on CNN or FOX. How about giving us a original thought and not one we have heard over and over and over again on the news... if you care about American look at candidates like Bob Barr or Ron Paul because both mccain and obama will further drag our nation down....so i'm done...whats up with this flat spell?? Hole - E - ****


Good point about how a lot of people are in debt because of credit cards and splurging... I agree. But the credit cards companies are screwing us, along with housing industries and banks. What happended? Well you know... Merril Lynch, Mae & Mac, etc. They got whatt they deserved, but too bad everything is linked in such a way that the rest of the economy will go down with it. The American people need to be smarter, and the big industries need to get less greedy, BUT we all know that won't happen.

Too bad Barr or Poll didn't make it, so we're got to choose with what we got.

Yeah, this flat spell is driving me crazy!!!

[lcyrusphotography]

ok...when the people that employ you are taxed more in a ****ty economy what do you think will happen??? they are going to cut jobs to make up for lost rev. they aren't going to make as much product so the price will go up in stores..then people are going to stop buying things and we will fall further into a recession. Historically when a president as cut taxes for the middle class it has never worked. You have to give tax breaks to bigger business and give tax incentives to entrepreneurs give home loan incentives on people who want to buy a home...not just free money to people that have already proved to be fiscally irresponsible.

[lcyrusphotography]

for real...and north carolina voting is so gay that either vote for paul or barr will be thrown out with the rest of the write-in votes... i've come to grips.... check out www.ncfpe.com

[bfloyd]

what about the people that can work and choose to mooch off the government?....you can't lump everyone in together and say "these people suck...they are rich..im poor and i want your money"...or i want them to be taxed more than me. Look at the wealthiest people in America...are they that way because they got lucky? no...they worked hard...Donald Trump...holy ****...a genius American..took what he knew and used it to his advantage to make billions upon billions... You know what you call when the government makes people that have lots of money give tons of it away??? SOCIALISM...you can't hate other people just because they have money. The means to do so are out there. Thats what makes where we live great. Our country was founded on poor people that eventually got sick of being poor. Yea there are people that "fall into" money and get lucky and then there are people who really try hard...on the same hand you have people who try really hard not to be dirt poor and wind up middle class and then you have people that don't give a **** and just live on welfare...thats not american...we need to take responsibility for our own actions...worry about your own fiscal responsibility and stop passing the buck on others. Our economy rests our the shoulders of the American people...not the government. The sooner we realize that the sooner we will be back on track.

Untrue during this day and time. Fact is, it is what it is, it is failed economic policy over the past eight years, need I really get in to the war cost factor as well. Sure the credit crunch was faulty on both parties, to point the finger at one is just flat out stupid. How long ago was it that McCain and Bush said our fundamentals were strong in the economy, like 2 months ago, what a joke. Where was Bush's economic panel during this time, while the lower and middle class were barely able to buy gas and meals. Big govt is what the country needs right now, funny how conservatives still live in the Reagan era, the world has changed in 20 years and the system works a little different. Another thing the belief they have in less govt trips me out, what do you think Bush did in the past 4 years, with"free market" by nationalizing the banking, insurance and automotive industries..oh, wait GW's economic policy was responsible for that. And this is what you want?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g5Wl2gg6o8

Now the tax policy's are a bit ominous, but to give a tax break to companies like Exxon Mobile(OPEC) under Mccain: http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/30/news/companies/exxon_earnings/index.htm?cnn=yes

The prices are coming down, but they will still make record profits. Do you realize how much of that money we could spend on several programs to boost the economy, infrastructure, etc. I am trying to find a good article that breaks it down and will post it shortly.


I do feel that the 250 k and above tax increase under Obama is a little much, but we are in tremendous Debt people, this money doesn't come out of our butts, we have to pay it back to places much like China. So they have to suffer for a short period of time to stabilize the economy and esp. get the middle class spending again to get the machine working properly. Palin,cmon, thats hilarious. Dont beat a dead horse is what it comes down to, the middle class make up a majority of this country and is getting reemed under failed economic policy. A radical change needs to be in store, seems that Obama has sufficient and very experienced political figures that back him up as well. Smell the coffee, b/c we have completely lost our superpower status and Obama will get us back there.

[lcyrusphotography]

big government is what got us into this mess...i don't understand how you can possibly say the system works differently... With what you are saying inflation will continue to rise...unemployment will still continue to rise. That is the problem with our country. People like Obama coming in. Buying votes essentially... telling people he will give them more money. Thats the easy way... You need to start from the top...and let it "trickle down". We can debate about this all day and most people will never come off the Obama **** sucking wagon but PLEASE remember what myself and countless thousands are saying...4 years maybe sooner, we are in for the worst economic times our country has ever seen. Stop drawing hateful lines between rich and poor.. work together, Give more power to states so that the people can have an easier time getting done what they want to get done by pressuring their senators and house reps. Get back to the fundamentals of how this great country came about. We are so far away from it we are in trouble of forgetting about it forever, young people need to start crying out for change because we are going to be reaping all the atrocities that are in front of us right now. Tell you state politicians you don't want big government. You don't want to live your life on foodstamps. Tell them you want jobs and want to work...tell them that you cut up your god damn credit cards and went out to the store and bout some fresh vegs from your local farmers and not ate fast food every day....fix yourself before you pass the blame... I have. I have one credit card...no car payments cuz I am responsible paid it off and pay my bills on time...i found a way to do that making 25k a year....so tell me it can't be done... stop being lazy and take responsibility. I'm sorry...i come from a family of debaters :rolleyes:

[ClemsonSurf]

First of all... Why did you guys ruin my last form of media untainted by political whining?

Secondly, Socialism and a welfare state is the best way to ruin people and a country. In a place where everything is given to you, people forget how to get it themselves. When you take the tools out of peoples hands they are reliant on the govt. and get in a cycle of waiting and wanting, not working and getting.

[lcyrusphotography]

your welcome

[wbsurfer]

I agree that welfare is kinda giving the lazy a free-pass, but what if something happened to you, and you ended up on welfare. Anyways, it's against the law to be on welfare your whole life. You have to find a job.

I agree more with Obama's fiscal plan because he's highering taxes for the rich and Obama doesn't support big oil companies who or too greedy to give a rat's rump about the environment. The rich can afford higher taxes. It effects lower-income families a lot more than high-income. And in our massive financial crisis, you have to raise some taxes, how is the government suppossed to pay back the $9 trillion debt? It's ineveitable, but the rich can afford it.

dude you need to back off on the politics man. besides i cant vote and i dont care about any of them so what does it matter. also politics make me go to sleep. finally this is a surf forcast bullitien not a politics bullitein so keep these posts talking about surf related stuff.

[C.a.LefevrePic]

use your brain vote mccain if i went to school for 12 yrs to become a doctor why should i spread my wealth to a crackhead that didnt want to better himself and have 12 kids for me to suport f that .and for the single mother of three where is her baby dady at to support his kids why should i support them f that if america votes obama in iam moving to nicarauga

[J-Dog]

Even if for some stupid reason you do choose to vote for Obama in the 2008 election, there are many problems to his presidency. First of all, he has sealed his birth certifacate so no one can see it and no one knows if he is qualified to be president. Why cant he just show us...dunno? Obama does not have the experience or the patriotism to lead this nation. John McCain knows what it takes to lead the nation and as for patriotism, he served his country. And last but certainly not least, all of the past presidents have sworn on the Bible. What is Obama going to do:confused:? Cause swearing on the "koran" just isn't going to work for me.


NOBAMA 08

[ledzepfreak]

I don't know about you guys,but I care way more about our planet.

What's the use of being rich if you can't surf a beach you've known since you were a baby? What about other places threatened by human development. I read somewhere that something as simple as building a few houses on a beach can affect a break because less sand is blown in the water to fill gaps in the reefs making it peel less perfectly. Imagine what our more dastardly conflicts might cause?

[surf4lyfe02]

I go surfing to get away from all of this sh*t and now there is a full on debate in a SURF forum.. way to go guys

[bfloyd]

If ya don't like the thread, comment else where, what the hell is the title man..And surfers discussing politics is aight at times, esp. when it matters with how much money I make and being able to take more surf trips on someone who is in charge of the decision making that directly affects that.

To comment back on Lphotography, responsibility is exactly something the republicans are having a hard time with , hence the past 8 years. Some are starting to come around:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Republican_Congressman_endorses_Obama.html

And the lame and hilarious statements on Obama birth certificate and koran, you got to be joking... You can tie both candidates to a bunch of BS down the line:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html. But they are not criminals and plan on running the country on terrorism. Gees, lets lay off the pipe a little. Educate yourself on the man before you make elementary statements and fall in to the kilter of filtered media and ignorant negative campaigning. The GOP has set a new low in campaign tactics, lets see how some respond: http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2008/10/video-the-mccain-palin-mob-in-strongsville-ohio

We shall see how a majority of the country feels (the working middle class) on tuesday. Also looks to be swell on Tuesday, verrrry nice, hopefully the lines won't be too long, so I can haul arse to the surf!

[adowcett]

use your brain vote mccain if i went to school for 12 yrs to become a doctor why should i spread my wealth to a crackhead that didnt want to better himself and have 12 kids for me to suport f that .and for the single mother of three where is her baby dady at to support his kids why should i support them f that if america votes obama in iam moving to nicarauga
Did you ever attend an English class in school? Maybe you should use your brain and figure out how to express yourself so other people can understand.




I can understand (well not understand, slightly comprehend) how some people could be anti Obama, but please don't tell me you're gonna vote McCain/Palin. Palin scares the crap outta me, who knows what the hell she would do as president. When McCain kicks the bucket (any day now) and Palin becomes president, I am moving to Australia and burning my U.S. passport.


But I guess we could always look at the scoreboard. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

And at least Obama never dated a stripper 1:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU3MplZL8ck :eek:

[lcyrusphotography]

Barf...if i didn't piss American excellence i'd move away to Indo and smoke Endo on the regular and take photos of half naked woman...however...I feel the nation needs me... just vote..at least we can all agree on that... woohoo.... I

[J-Dog]

Did you ever attend an English class in school? Maybe you should use your brain and figure out how to express yourself so other people can understand.




I can understand (well not understand, slightly comprehend) how some people could be anti Obama, but please don't tell me you're gonna vote McCain/Palin. Palin scares the crap outta me, who knows what the hell she would do as president. When McCain kicks the bucket (any day now) and Palin becomes president, I am moving to Australia and burning my U.S. passport.


But I guess we could always look at the scoreboard. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

And at least Obama never dated a stripper 1:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU3MplZL8ck :eek:

Well so the best you can do is say that McCain dated a stripper. Okay fair enough. Where was Obama when McCain was dating this stripper? Was he in Hawaii? Was he even in the U.S? Was he even a U.S citizen at this point? Probably not, if you disagree then find his birth certificate, and good luck on that one. Were so ready to change our country that we are going to put a radical like Obama ,that we know nothing about, in the White House.

Please think about your decision.
Vote McCain!

[C.a.LefevrePic]

any how stripers rock

[wbsurfer]

any how stripers rock

well said strippers do rock.

[adowcett]

Good point, someones morals shouldn't matter, just the nationality of their father.

[C.a.LefevrePic]

your still a ding dong

[adowcett]

your still a ding dong

At least I know how to write so people can actually understand what I'm saying.

[hplogger]

adowcett-Finally, someone points out the obvious! The likelyhood that McCain actually makes it through 4 years as the president is a gamble I am not willing to take. To think that Palin could in fact lead this country is a daunting prospect. Especially given her claim to foreign policy experience is Alaska's proximity to Russia. But I digress...

The likelyhood that either one of these candidates are going to change anything in 4 years is unlikely however, will they pave the road for future initiatives regarding our economy, energy policy, education, the war on terror, etc...?...YES! This country cannot afford another 4 years of the same old, same old policy that has driven this nation into financial debt, energy dependence, and a exhausted military (oh, and we still have yet to capture or kill Osama bin Laden mind you). WE NEED CHANGE!

remember...MC=W3

and on the socialism issue (because I know someone will bring it up), the wall street bailout that Bush and McCain endorsed...yeah, that falls into the socialism realm as well. And oh by the way, some of the same conservative Americans that are anti-socialism are the same Americans that are benefiting from social programs like welfare and medicaide so get a clue!

Vote with the issues and get informed!

[surf4lyfe02]

If ya don't like the thread, comment else where, what the hell is the title man..And surfers discussing politics is aight at times, esp. when it matters with how much money I make and being able to take more surf trips on someone who is in charge of the decision making that directly affects that.

To comment back on Lphotography, responsibility is exactly something the republicans are having a hard time with , hence the past 8 years. Some are starting to come around:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Republican_Congressman_endorses_Obama.html

And the lame and hilarious statements on Obama birth certificate and koran, you got to be joking... You can tie both candidates to a bunch of BS down the line:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html. But they are not criminals and plan on running the country on terrorism. Gees, lets lay off the pipe a little. Educate yourself on the man before you make elementary statements and fall in to the kilter of filtered media and ignorant negative campaigning. The GOP has set a new low in campaign tactics, lets see how some respond: http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2008/10/video-the-mccain-palin-mob-in-strongsville-ohio

We shall see how a majority of the country feels (the working middle class) on tuesday. Also looks to be swell on Tuesday, verrrry nice, hopefully the lines won't be too long, so I can haul arse to the surf!

The title of the thread is "spread the wealth/waves".......where in that do u see.. im gunna talk about politics for 8 years?

[bfloyd]

The title of the thread is "spread the wealth/waves".......where in that do u see.. im gunna talk about politics for 8 years?

Spread the wealth in relation to spreading the waves is what the thread is, read the dude who started the thread and what he has to say..,My initial guess is that it has a political undertone esp, after 90% of the responses relating to the political topic and the thread, or have we not been keeping up with the Obama statement that has been engraved into every Americans brain the past month.

Not sure what your talking about 8 years, that is a reference towards President Bush and the last failed 8 years in office and how McSame is basically indentical in the way he would choose to run our country.

[surf4lyfe02]

the 8 years was a sarcastic exaggeration.........good thing your not running the country

[C.a.LefevrePic]

yall are stoopid half of you probally dont even vote f it go surf theres waves wake up white people because your about to be liviing in a country run by a black man that hates the white race and dont say he half white because white folks dont go to blk panthers parties

[wbsurfer]

yall are stoopid half of you probally dont even vote f it go surf theres waves wake up white people because your about to be liviing in a country run by a black man that hates the white race and dont say he half white because white folks dont go to blk panthers parties

dude wtf you little racist. we all live in an all equal communtity and so what if theres an african american running our country maybe it would be helpfull for our country.

[hplogger]

C.a.LefevrePic: your retarded racist post isn't even worth replying to quite honestly but I will say this...it still shocks me that people like you still exist in this country. Actually, it worries me that brave men and women risk their lives to fight for people like you. And oh by the way, some of those same men and women are African American and minorities. Why is it ok for them to die for your freedom but not hold a Government office? How about you pull your head out of your a$$, realize that it is not 1865, try giving back to your community, and above all else, educate yourself. Without any of that, you are simply a racist redneck without a clue. instead of praying for surf...you should try praying for yourself.

[adowcett]

yall are stoopid half of you probally dont even vote f it go surf theres waves wake up white people because your about to be liviing in a country run by a black man that hates the white race and dont say he half white because white folks dont go to blk panthers parties

Remember what we said about typing with our fingers instead of our elbows? You wanta give that a try so maybe we could make some sense of that bigoted, redneck ignorance. Are you Sara Palin's mentally retarded bast*rd child or something? And really, Obama's full African American?


(Obma and Grandmother)
http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/12398/2958338290101613950S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2958338290101613950ZVCRxM)


Doesn't look like it


And not that Obama does dislike white people (photo above, duh), but I think that African Americans should have every right to dislike white people. We only enslaved them for over 100 years, then made them have completely separate (and much worse) everyday facilities, and then half of the south is still prejudice against them 'till this day. Why shouldn't they hate us?

[Swellinfo]

ok ok... everyone got there chance to get the ranting out.
now, do the only thing that matters, and go vote.