THE BEST wetsuit

[B1ll]

Ive got around around $400 bucks to spend on a winter wettie this year, and am looking to get a top notch suit. Anyone have any last minute suggestions before i choose (surf in ocmd by the way)
Ive done a bit of research already and am looking at:
Body Glove Vapor?-front zip
Oniell Heat?
Rip Curl E-Bomb?
Xcel DRYLOCK?-front zip
Oniell Mutant?
Psycho 2?

Should I get a hooded suit or buy a hood separately? Any advice would help thanks.

[JDallam]

Matuse check out the website, pretty cool stuff, eco-friendly and from what i hear super light and dries way faster than normal neoprene. im in a hooded quiksilver ignite its really nice suit and plenty warm but it takes all night to dry and still damp the next morning, even with a fan blowing on it. if i had 400 bones to spend on a new winter suit it would be a Patagonia or Matuse

Matuse
http://matuse.com/products.html?category_id=1

Patagonia
http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/product/detail/shop_landing.jsp?OPTION=WETSUITS_LANDING
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[Mikey]

suits with attached hood are way more comfortable than the ones with separate hoods.

try on all the suits you can. the best suit is the one that fits you best.

[JDallam]

agreed, attached hood=minimal flushing=warmer and you dont choke yourself all day
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[Aguaholic]

Top of the food chain to me is Patagonia. (a little out of your price range)

All the suits you listed are all good suits. It's really gonna come down to what fits you the best.

IMO - For $400 I would go for the Vapor.

[mOtion732]

i just got an xcel infin 5/4/3 through whiskey militia for 200 but realized after that it's not hooded. i'm goign to buy a 3mm hood for under it. my buddy has done that fora while and hasn't had any problems

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000R5LL7Y/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000KBHEJY&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1GH58SX7F9Y07WPE72Z1

[bodyboarddude]

i have a question for all you Bethany/OC locals.is a 4/3 thick enough to do the job all through winter? even in the dead of February? when it can be like 10F out? i only have a spring suit now & i when i get a full suit,i'm thinking to buy just 1.is the 4/3 enough for the depths of February here? :)

[mOtion732]

or maybe this one...

http://www.tactics.com/oneill/3mm-coldwater-hood

[Aguaholic]

i have a question for all you Bethany/OC locals.is a 4/3 thick enough to do the job all through winter? even in the dead of February? when it can be like 10F out? i only have a spring suit now & i when i get a full suit,i'm thinking to buy just 1.is the 4/3 enough for the depths of February here? :)

If you get a 4:3 Patagonia then yes. Otherwise no

[iamcoryhibbard]

I've used a west lotus hooded 6/5/4 for the past 3 winters and its been the best winter suit ive ever used. Hands down the warmest ive ever used and its real flexible for a 6 mil...gets a lil toasty tho when its too cold for a 4/3 but too warm for a 6/5/4 but ill take it. I highly recommend this suit

[bodyboarddude]

If you get a 4:3 Patagonia then yes. Otherwise no

now,is the patagonia 4/3 good enough because of the quality of the neoprene/stiching & craftsmanship? as apposed to say a normal off the shelf 4/3 like an oneil or ripcurl?

[Aguaholic]

6 mil is over kill IMO. Unless you are old or extremely skinny 5 mil is just fine. less > more

[souljahsky]

Ive got around around $400 bucks to spend on a winter wettie this year, and am looking to get a top notch suit. Anyone have any last minute suggestions before i choose (surf in ocmd by the way)
Ive done a bit of research already and am looking at:
Body Glove Vapor?-front zip
Oniell Heat?
Rip Curl E-Bomb?
Xcel DRYLOCK?-front zip
Oniell Mutant?
Psycho 2?

Should I get a hooded suit or buy a hood separately? Any advice would help thanks.

Always buy Rip Curl. You can send it back and they will fix it for free. I send mine in almost every summer to get panels/tape/glue/seams replaced. It only takes a week or so, and they always do a good job. All of the other companies are lame when it comes to customer service/repair. They either want to charge you an arm and a leg (no pun intended), or they take forever.

Conclusion: My rip curl suit has now lasted 7 years, and after sending it back this summer and getting the entire crotchal region replaced, every seam retaped, and a new batwing collar, it is once again brand new.

[souljahsky]

suits with attached hood are way more comfortable than the ones with separate hoods.

try on all the suits you can. the best suit is the one that fits you best.

have you used a batwing?

[souljahsky]

i have a question for all you Bethany/OC locals.is a 4/3 thick enough to do the job all through winter? even in the dead of February? when it can be like 10F out? i only have a spring suit now & i when i get a full suit,i'm thinking to buy just 1.is the 4/3 enough for the depths of February here? :)

I wear a 4/3 Elasto year round.

[Aguaholic]

now,is the patagonia 4/3 good enough because of the quality of the neoprene/stiching & craftsmanship? as apposed to say a normal off the shelf 4/3 like an oneil or ripcurl?

Yeah breh, Completely different material/design...and there freaking warm~. Your gonna pay for that though!

Check out their website and read up on the technology.

[Aguaholic]

I wear a 4/3 Elasto year round.

Yeah it can be done.....not typical though. you also get a shorter ses wearing less. So with that being said.....you will hear about a few that can deal....most can't though.

[bodyboarddude]

ok guys,awsome info in this thread.i am actually 36 & average weight now.i hate being cold,so i may just have to go with that patagonia if i go with just 1 fullsuit in 4/3.
in the OC/Bethany area when do you guys switch from your 4/3 to thicker suits? does the standard off the shelf 4/3 get you up to like what? late November/December time frames?

[wallysurfr]

Not sure about MD but I surf all year in NJ and i picked up a 6/5/4 psycho II for $200 on craigslist. 7mm booties and 5 mil gloves and I don't even feel the cold water. Sometimes a little difficult to move in than a 4/3 but the air/water temp will never stop me.

I just saw that Quiksilver makes a battery powered heated vest for $200 (similar to the H-bomb without the price tag) to wear under your suit. Has anyone tried this or know anyone who has? I wonder if that vest would do the trick in combo with a 4/3 through the winter? hmmm....

[bodyboarddude]

Not sure about MD but I surf all year in NJ and i picked up a 6/5/4 psycho II for $200 on craigslist. 7mm booties and 5 mil gloves and I don't even feel the cold water. Sometimes a little difficult to move in than a 4/3 but the air/water temp will never stop me.

I just saw that Quiksilver makes a battery powered heated vest for $200 (similar to the H-bomb without the price tag) to wear under your suit. Has anyone tried this or know anyone who has? I wonder if that vest would do the trick in combo with a 4/3 through the winter? hmmm....

yes,i was wondering this myself,i was on quicksilvers website & was diggin on the electro-heated vest & wondered how long you could go out with just a 3/2 with that under it.i'd love to hear if anybody here has experience with that vest.i would hope they've have diesel-ass waterproofing on it so that you don't have an unfortunate electrical incident while enjoying a session.it don't recall if quicksilver recommended it be used only under a dry suit or not.hmmm.

[wallysurfr]

definetely can be used under any wetsuit. i don't think you have to worry about getting shocked. I'm sure they tested it and it's from one of the best companies in the industry not some guy on the corner.

That with a 3/2 could prob get you through Dec./Jan then if you used that with a 4/3 I would say you could go through the winter with it. Imagine if they came out with one that had a detachable hood. That would be sick and would basically increase any of your suits by a mm or two.

[bodyboarddude]

yeah,that would be *****in if it came with a hood that was heated too.it would kill any chill from the wind & i'd be curious to see how it would be easing the shock of those cold water duck-dives!:D

[wallysurfr]

I've never even seen a patagonia suit but IMO, I would stick to the surf companies for your suit. They're tried and true and with the technology that has recently come out (double liquid welds, zip systems, etc) I would want my suit from a surf co. not a kayaking co.

[GnarActually]

ok so.. do not buy and e bomb, they are ment for flexability. the fbomb is ment for warmth. i find that rip curl wetsuits are awlful. their seems are bad.

i would look at a 5/4/3 oneill mutant. which is probably the best deal for your price range.

the quiksilver cypher, patogina, matuse, psycho 2 hooded are all out of your price range.

[bodyboarddude]

Always buy Rip Curl. You can send it back and they will fix it for free. I send mine in almost every summer to get panels/tape/glue/seams replaced. It only takes a week or so, and they always do a good job. All of the other companies are lame when it comes to customer service/repair. They either want to charge you an arm and a leg (no pun intended), or they take forever.

Conclusion: My rip curl suit has now lasted 7 years, and after sending it back this summer and getting the entire crotchal region replaced, every seam retaped, and a new batwing collar, it is once again brand new.

i love my quicksilver springsuit & was thinking of trying the Ignite full,until i read this guys post.i may just stick with Ripcurl if they offer this lifetime garantee.most suits would last a long time anyway,but you could affectively not buy another suit until there was some huge change in the technology that made all others obsolete.this would empower the every day surfer to buy a new suit when he WANTED too,not because he had too.i would definately want 1 that was made by a company that has many years experience in the surfing industry.i like that the Patagonia may be super-high end,BUT,i'd hate to get it & find some detail lacking cause it was designed for something else.:)

[aka pumpmaster]

x2 on the rip curls. they jsut seem to have issue with their seams lately. I'm a big west and xcel fan.

[bodyboarddude]

man,there really is alot to consider here.i like the guarantee Ripcurl is offering,but i don't want to be constanly sending it in for repair if there quality-control has been neglected on their current line of suits.my Quicksilver is awsome when it comes to quality control.i've had that spring at least 5 years & had NO issues with seems,zipper,nothing.the only thing i've ever fixed on that was the fraying of a velcro tab,that i simply took a match to & fixed the fray instantly.hmmm,lot's to consider here...:)

[smoked]

I asked a similar question about 6 weeks ago. Since I'm a cheap bastard, I researched not only the brands but also learned about the construction. Specifically, the seams.

Wetsuits that are sealed AND TAPED can provide comfort in water that is 5-10 degrees colder than a suit that does not also have taped seams.

For example, an O'neill Epic 4/3 with sealed seams is water temperature rated at 55degrees and up. It retails for $159 (from wetsuitwearhouse). But, a sealed and taped Quiksilver IGNITE 4/3 is temp rated at 45-50degrees and up. It sells for $269.

The same goes for 5/4 suits. I almost jumped on that XCel Hawai 5/4/3 at whiskey militia until I saw the water temperature rating was only down to 45degrees (is there a damn degree character?). It was still a great deal compared to the original price, but it's thicker than a comparably rated 4/3 that has taped seams. So, it *may* not be as flexible as the 4/3. I don't know so won't speculate. BTW, amazon still has the XCel Hawaii for $245 with free shipping.

Here's my current list of potential buys:

All 4/3s are Sealed AND taped for 45-50 degrees and up:
***4/3mm Men's Rip Curl CORE FIRESKIN Full Wetsuit, $240 ***45-50 degrees and up***

4/3mm Men's Quiksilver IGNITE Full Wetsuit, $270, ***45-50 degrees and up***

4/3mm Men's Rip Curl Ultimate E-Bomb Full Wetsuit, $300, ***45-50 degrees and up***

4/3mm Men's Hyperflex AMP Full Wetsuit, $250, ***45-50 degrees and up***



5/4s, sealed and taped:
5/4/3mm Men's Hyperflex FLOW Hooded Wetsuit 40-45 degrees and up $199.99

5/4/3mm Men's Hyperflex AMP Full Wetsuit 40-45 degrees and up $269.99

5/4/3mm Men's Body Glove FUSION Hooded Wetsuit 40-45 degrees and up $215.00

6/5, sealed and taped:
6/5/4mm Men's Hyperflex FLOW Hooded Wetsuit 35-40 degrees and up $229.99


Just my .02 cents and worth what you paid. ;-)

[aka pumpmaster]

I always thought fluid welded seams were way better than taped but they are frought with issues.

Another HUGE factor is zipper. a chest zip is miles above a back zip. BTW, for the money Hyperflex is a great suit.

[Aguaholic]

I've never even seen a patagonia suit but IMO, I would stick to the surf companies for your suit. They're tried and true and with the technology that has recently come out (double liquid welds, zip systems, etc) I would want my suit from a surf co. not a kayaking co.

Obviously you know very little about suits. :rolleyes: How can you give advice when you don't even know what a Patagonia looks like. :confused:.....So you shouldn't even have an opinion. I have had pretty much every suit you can think of....been surfing for 25 years. Patagonia is the best suit I have ever owned. With my Vapor coming in 2nd. And btw Patagonia can be bought in a surf shop. :eek: I'm not saying main stream suits are not good. He asked what the BEST suit was.

[mOtion732]

yeah, i don't understand the whole 45 degree rating on that xcel 5/4/3. i wore my xcel infiniti 4/3 into january, and wore it last march and april. water must have been around the 45 degree mark if not colder, and i was able to manage long sessions. i'm not one of those ppl that can stay warm in anything either. how are they going to rate with such a high temp? this is the description.

The 5/4/3 Infiniti X-Zip Wetsuit gives you the dependable award-winning performance of the Infiniti design but with XCEL’s X-Zip entry for uncompromised comfort while paddling. This 5/4/3mm wettie is ideal for winter waters. XCEL engineered the Ultrastretch neoprene panels with the absolute bare minimum of seams. Fewer seams = more movement. Fusion seam technology and snag-free Ultraspan Superlite neoprene eliminate chafing, ensure waterproofing, and stretch more than neoprene with conventional seam taping—we're talking 300% plus stretch. Duraflex knee panels and pressure-bonded seams on the lower half bolster durability without compromising movement. You won't find a more comfortable 5/4/3mm suit for less.

[Aguaholic]

yeah, i don't understand the whole 45 degree rating on that xcel 5/4/3. i wore my xcel infiniti 4/3 into january, and wore it last march and april. water must have been around the 45 degree mark if not colder, and i was able to manage long sessions. i'm not one of those ppl that can stay warm in anything either. how are they going to rate with such a high temp? this is the description.

The 5/4/3 Infiniti X-Zip Wetsuit gives you the dependable award-winning performance of the Infiniti design but with XCEL’s X-Zip entry for uncompromised comfort while paddling. This 5/4/3mm wettie is ideal for winter waters. XCEL engineered the Ultrastretch neoprene panels with the absolute bare minimum of seams. Fewer seams = more movement. Fusion seam technology and snag-free Ultraspan Superlite neoprene eliminate chafing, ensure waterproofing, and stretch more than neoprene with conventional seam taping—we're talking 300% plus stretch. Duraflex knee panels and pressure-bonded seams on the lower half bolster durability without compromising movement. You won't find a more comfortable 5/4/3mm suit for less.

I used to be an xcel whore....still have a few. I don't like xcel anymore...Their 3/2 and springs are good...but anything above that I can't stand. maybe the newer suits are more flexable. I gave up on them after my last 4/3. My buddies 5/4/3 Vapor is lighter than my xcel 4/3. (shrug) Besides xcel is made in Hawaii....what the hell does Hawaii know about wetsuits? I mean they know alot about surfing in general but comon' wetsuits? btw - I saw the new bamboo **** on the chest of their suits? Anyone know whats the deal is with that?

Remember wetsuits are a preference.....

[smoked]

I always thought fluid welded seams were way better than taped but they are frought with issues.


I believe you are correct and I *think* they are found in the higher end models. The models I can't afford. Too many mouths to feed. :)


Another HUGE factor is zipper. a chest zip is miles above a back zip. BTW, for the money Hyperflex is a great suit.

Thanks, I didn't know that about the chest zip. I've heard great things about Hyperflex. My first purchase was a Rip Curl Dawn Patrol 3/2. I like the warranty of the Rip Curl. But, since this will be my first time buying wetsuits, I'm considering buying 3 different brands; one brand per thicknesses (3/2, 4/3 and 5/4). Just to experience the differences.

I should also state that a feature of the Xcel Hawaii is that it has *less* seems. So, less seams to deteriorate or less potential for problems. Theoretically, at least.

[wallysurfr]

Obviously you know very little about suits. :rolleyes: How can you give advice when you don't even know what a Patagonia looks like. :confused:.....So you shouldn't even have an opinion. I have had pretty much every suit you can think of....been surfing for 25 years. Patagonia is the best suit I have ever owned. With my Vapor coming in 2nd. And btw Patagonia can be bought in a surf shop. :eek: I'm not saying main stream suits are not good. He asked what the BEST suit was.

Maybe you need a lesson on what IMO means. I never said patagonia wasn't a good suit I said I haven't seen one then I stated what my opinion was which I am entitled to on this forum. What I did say is that I would feel more comfortable in buying from a surf company that has designed the suit for surfing as opposed to buying a suit from a kayaking company.

I highly doubt that you have had pretty much every suit. That statement alone really makes me question your 25 years of "surfing" experience.

[aka pumpmaster]

I believe you are correct and I *think* they are found in the higher end models. The models I can't afford. Too many mouths to feed. :)



Thanks, I didn't know that about the chest zip. I've heard great things about Hyperflex. My first purchase was a Rip Curl Dawn Patrol 3/2. I like the warranty of the Rip Curl. But, since this will be my first time buying wetsuits, I'm considering buying 3 different brands; one brand per thicknesses (3/2, 4/3 and 5/4). Just to experience the differences.

I should also state that a feature of the Xcel Hawaii is that it has *less* seems. So, less seams to deteriorate or less potential for problems. Theoretically, at least.

You should go with the Hyperflex Amp 5/4/3 or the Amazon Xcel (similar price) to stay with in your budget. don't worry about the 6/5/4. You shouldn't need it around here. I used a 5mm all last winter and the water got into the 30s.

[Aguaholic]

Maybe you need a lesson on what IMO means. I never said patagonia wasn't a good suit I said I haven't seen one then I stated what my opinion was which I am entitled to on this forum. What I did say is that I would feel more comfortable in buying from a surf company that has designed the suit for surfing as opposed to buying a suit from a kayaking company.

I highly doubt that you have had pretty much every suit. That statement alone really makes me question your 25 years of "surfing" experience.

HA! I was surfing while you were still ****ting in your diapers. And yes I have had pretty much every brand suit over the years. So, I'll say it again.....You have no place to give an opinion when you don't know **** about suits to begin with. I can tell you are a little fellow. And, I am a grown man that has been surfing since the early 80's. Over and Out!

[wallysurfr]

It's official. You're a kook who is stuck in the 80's.

[Boss]

I have a bodyglove vapor 4/3 (amazing warm+durable suit- lasted 4 yrs and still going)
7mil xcel drylock mittens
7mil rip curl classic boots
hyperflex 5mil hood

i dont care what anyone else says, 7mil gloves and boots keep me toasty. the 4/3 is really warm too

[mOtion732]

where'd you get the hyperflex hood?

[Aguaholic]

How can you tell that I am a little fellow? You don't know me. I too am a grown man. One that you probly wouldn't say these things to if you were standing in front of me.

BAHAHAHAHA.....a classic reply! Ok....sry didn't mean to upset you. :D But, seriously...if you really don't know too much about suits. You shouldn't be giving advice on them. Especially on suits you have never even seen. (that CAN be purchased at surf shops) Now, if you really want me to say things to your face.....I CAN. Otherwise, I'm gonna forget this and go surf.

[Aguaholic]

It's official. I'm a kook who sucks and knows nothing about suits....but I give advice on them.

FIXED! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Boss]

where'd you get the hyperflex hood?

Sorry, its actually an H2O Odyssey 5mil hood

[Shift]

Back to wetsuits,

So I am thinking about picking up a hyperflex 5/4/3, just wanted to hear some of your experiences with the newer models. Yes I know they have had some issues in the past but I have been hearing good things about them. I tried it on, liked it, but still on the fence. I just can't believe the great price.

Wondering,

1. Taped seams after a season? How did they hold up?
2. Is it comparable in terms of warmth to lets say a similar 5/4/3 of a mainstream brand? Asking cause since the 6/5/4 is only $10 more bucks, its not a big deal to go up in mils, but if its of the same quality then I def don't need nor want the 6/5/4.
3. Any other thoughts?

Thanks!:D

[Boss]

Ive heard hyperflex's are great suits for a year, then they fall apart..

[mofosurfer.com]

Maybe you need a lesson on what IMO means. I never said patagonia wasn't a good suit I said I haven't seen one then I stated what my opinion was which I am entitled to on this forum. What I did say is that I would feel more comfortable in buying from a surf company that has designed the suit for surfing as opposed to buying a suit from a kayaking company.

I highly doubt that you have had pretty much every suit. That statement alone really makes me question your 25 years of "surfing" experience.


Honda made mean lawn mowers.

That was their forte for a long time here in the United States. Then they started importing their cars. The "Big 3" salespeople would laugh at customers who were interested in a car manufactured from a lawn mower company.

Who's laughing now?


I've had a lot of wetsuits, the Patagonia is hands down more comfortable and durable than any wetsuit that I've tried. I've done all the major lables, Oneill, Rip Curl, Buildabong, etc over the years and the quality was always great but it always came down to durablity.

That's why I first looked at Patagonia. I use their gear for camping, hiking, snowboarding, and climbing for years. I have friends that are serious climbers and they have always been big fans of their gear. Not because they have been manufacturing the gear for a long time, but because of the time that Patagonia spends in R&R. They LISTEN to their clients. If you go to their website, they have a forum for their customers and make changes in their gear based on actuall feedback from their field test team- you and me! Now, if you have a problem with their gear, they will change it out. No questions asked. Every year for the past 4 years (whenever it was that they came out with their first suit) I have taken mine back for the "end of the season" repairs... they full on replaced my suit 3 times for not a penny out of my pocket. The reason is that they knew the defects and have improved upon the suit every year. This year is the best. They have taped all the seams, changed the cuffs on the legs and arms, and added structural support in places that need it. Also, the front zip is incredible with the dual head gaskets. Water hardly ever flushes from my neck. In fact I sometimes need to pull the neck down to let some water in to cool me off.

IMO, you should check them out. The fact that I paid for my wetsuit 4 years ago and have it fully replaced 3 times, never once asking them to (I try to keep a small eco footprint).
I would say that based on the previous suits that I've gotten from them that this year is the very best they have made. So good in fact that I've had two of my close friends that I surf with often, have gone out and purchased the Patagonia's as well. Purley based on my experience and what they have read. Oh, and one of them just went through a Matoose and had one of those last year. He is now stoked with how it compares to that suit.

I know this was off subject, but I just needed to throw my .02 in. :cool:

[gnargnar]

i have to say, my o'neill guru is pretty nice. if you find a thick one, you should keep it in mind.

[Cannon]

I have a 5-4-3billabong foil w/o a hood.


Need to know which hood, gloves, fin socks to get so i can tough it out this winter

3mm, 5mm i don't know help me out

[Boss]

If you just want to get by you can get cheap hyperflex 5mil gloves. Then i would say get xcel boots, again 5mil if you just want to get by. And a hyperflex/H2O odyssey hood.

If you wanna be all hardcore and have long sessions get 7mil mittens and 7mil boots. Same hood though...unless you wanna get a built in hood-vest to go under your wetsuit.

[JDallam]

the matuse site has suits from last year for sale on their site click the link that says vintage
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[jay cagney]

where'd you get the hyperflex hood?

http://www.wetsuitwearhouse.com/page/WW/PROD/777-XH53N

?

[Cannon]

Sounds good for hood. Will 5mm fin socks fit in a usual size swim fin?

[smoked]

I know this was off subject, but I just needed to throw my .02 in. :cool:

Off subject? You were spot on the subject. :)

If I had the money and was going to spend enough time in the water to justify the expense, I'd buy one. Hell, this wetsuit brand even has "fan" sites.

Mofo, which one do you have? R2, R3, or R4?

Great post and thanks for the info.

[Gabe]

umm... the new oniell mutants will hold out here. 4/3 would do because of the new neoprene. im going 5/4 though.

[Gnarly]

Buy the oniell physco 2. By far the best wetsuit i ever had.

[JDallam]

yeah the wallysurfr guy, you do realize how dumb youve sounded this entire thread? and you do realize that patagonia is not a kayak company right? they dont even make kayaks. not only that but you do realize that fletcher chouinard hand makes boards for all of the malloy brothers, who also wear patagonia suits and im thinking that yvon chouinard, the owner, surfs regularly and is friends with gerry lopez. so maybe they do know a little bit about surfing over there at patagonia. i understand that you were only voicing your opinion but at least make it sound somewhat educated all you have to do is look at patagonias website for five minutes to realize that they know what they are doing. damn im tired of people hatin on stuff in all these threads when they clearly dont know what they are even talking about.

but still sorry guy who started this thread patagonia is definitely out of your price range unless you get lucky and find one used. which would still probably be better quality than a freakin hyperflex
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[MATT JOHNSON]

Ive heard hyperflex's are great suits for a year, then they fall apart..

Almost all my wetsuits are Hyperflex and most of them are 4 years or older. All still have nice strech , no tears or signs of dry rott. I rinse them out after every session and use wetsuit shampoo in each one once or twice a season . I am gonna get a 6/5/4 or a 5/4/3 flow I will most likely get a 6/5/4 flow since it on 4 bucks more than a 5/4/3.

I also like that there facotry is out of Millville , NJ which is like a 30 min drive from my house so if I ever have a problem I can just drive there drop it off and pick it up when it is done.

Plus it cool to support a local surf company

[bodyboarddude]

Sounds good for hood. Will 5mm fin socks fit in a usual size swim fin?

i think you will have to go up a size on your fins for a 5mm sock dude.i currently wear Hydro Tech2's in M/L shoe size 9-10 & the are snug & there's no way in hell i'd get a 5mm sock in there too.back in the 80's i tried rockin 5mm booties with my M/L churchills & it was so tight,it was painful.you'll definately need to go up 1 size & have those as your "winter fins":)

[MATT JOHNSON]

Oh if anyone is interested I have a pair of 7mm Ripcurl booties size 9 . A buddy gave them to me cause he bought them to replace a set that he thought he lost but found like 2 day later. They were too small for me so they were never worn .
Who ever wants them let me know there free.

I will also have a 5mil hood in 2 weeks if anyone need it . I wore it once and that was yesterday if anyone seen my out at Broadway . Its a h20 hood from hyperflex. I bought it and dont like it cause it dont sit right on my shoulder and comes up out my suite and I have to tuck it back down every once in awhile.
Next week it will be up for grab if anyone needs one

[smoked]

i think you will have to go up a size on your fins for a 5mm sock dude.i currently wear Hydro Tech2's in M/L shoe size 9-10 & the are snug & there's no way in hell i'd get a 5mm sock in there too.back in the 80's i tried rockin 5mm booties with my M/L churchills & it was so tight,it was painful.you'll definately need to go up 1 size & have those as your "winter fins":)

Ha! Another old folky!! Thanks for tip in our PM, bro. See you soon in the mix.

Stay safe.

[smoked]

Oh if anyone is interested I have a pair of 7mm Ripcurl booties size 9 . A buddy gave them to me cause he bought them to replace a set that he thought he lost but found like 2 day later. They were too small for me so they were never worn .
Who ever wants them let me know there free.

I will also have a 5mil hood in 2 weeks if anyone need it . I wore it once and that was yesterday if anyone seen my out at Broadway . Its a h20 hood from hyperflex. I bought it and dont like it cause it dont sit right on my shoulder and comes up out my suite and I have to tuck it back down every once in awhile.
Next week it will be up for grab if anyone needs one

Hey Matt, good on ya' for the freebie! If I were a 9 and not a 10 (something the ladies agree with :D ), I'd be all over your kindness.

Stay safe.

[MATT JOHNSON]

Hey Matt, good on ya' for the freebie! If I were a 9 and not a 10 (something the ladies agree with :D ), I'd be all over your kindness.

Stay safe.

thanks man anything to help someone stay in the water

I hope someone can use them . they have been sitting in a tote of all my wetsuit and I found out at the last minute they were not my size . So at the last minute I had to search donw a set of 10's.

[SeaDaddy]

I used to be an xcel whore....still have a few. I don't like xcel anymore...Their 3/2 and springs are good...but anything above that I can't stand. maybe the newer suits are more flexable. I gave up on them after my last 4/3. My buddies 5/4/3 Vapor is lighter than my xcel 4/3. (shrug) Besides xcel is made in Hawaii....what the hell does Hawaii know about wetsuits? I mean they know alot about surfing in general but comon' wetsuits? btw - I saw the new bamboo **** on the chest of their suits? Anyone know whats the deal is with that?

Remember wetsuits are a preference.....

FYI the founder of Xcel, Ed D’Ascoli grew up and is from New Jersey.

[wallysurfr]

Honda made mean lawn mowers.

That was their forte for a long time here in the United States. Then they started importing their cars. The "Big 3" salespeople would laugh at customers who were interested in a car manufactured from a lawn mower company.

Who's laughing now?


I've had a lot of wetsuits, the Patagonia is hands down more comfortable and durable than any wetsuit that I've tried. I've done all the major lables, Oneill, Rip Curl, Buildabong, etc over the years and the quality was always great but it always came down to durablity.

That's why I first looked at Patagonia. I use their gear for camping, hiking, snowboarding, and climbing for years. I have friends that are serious climbers and they have always been big fans of their gear. Not because they have been manufacturing the gear for a long time, but because of the time that Patagonia spends in R&R. They LISTEN to their clients. If you go to their website, they have a forum for their customers and make changes in their gear based on actuall feedback from their field test team- you and me! Now, if you have a problem with their gear, they will change it out. No questions asked. Every year for the past 4 years (whenever it was that they came out with their first suit) I have taken mine back for the "end of the season" repairs... they full on replaced my suit 3 times for not a penny out of my pocket. The reason is that they knew the defects and have improved upon the suit every year. This year is the best. They have taped all the seams, changed the cuffs on the legs and arms, and added structural support in places that need it. Also, the front zip is incredible with the dual head gaskets. Water hardly ever flushes from my neck. In fact I sometimes need to pull the neck down to let some water in to cool me off.

IMO, you should check them out. The fact that I paid for my wetsuit 4 years ago and have it fully replaced 3 times, never once asking them to (I try to keep a small eco footprint).
I would say that based on the previous suits that I've gotten from them that this year is the very best they have made. So good in fact that I've had two of my close friends that I surf with often, have gone out and purchased the Patagonia's as well. Purley based on my experience and what they have read. Oh, and one of them just went through a Matoose and had one of those last year. He is now stoked with how it compares to that suit.

I know this was off subject, but I just needed to throw my .02 in. :cool:

Hey man, thanks for the education. I think your approach is much better than some others on here who just say "^&$% you bro I've been surfing since the 80's and you have no $^&#*&@ what you are talking about!" Getting all agro on someone who is less "knowledgable" than them.

Anyway, while they are tooting their horns about how many suits they've owned, I'll be working on my backside hack. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong and for all I know these are the best suits out there I've just never worn one to know whether they're good or not. That is why I stated that I don't know. Then continued to say that in my opinion I would feel more comfortable buying and supporting a surf company. I didn't ever say that the OP should buy from a surf company and not even look at the patagonia (it's out of his range anyway!) I said I would.

Thanks again for taking to time to respond in a reasonable manner and explaining yourself instead of just spewing from the mouth like other posters who "think" they know everything.

[Aguaholic]

FYI the founder of Xcel, Ed D’Ascoli grew up and is from New Jersey.

That is true....but he moved there 30 years ago. In a time when wetsuits were horrible. I just think the fact that a wetsuit company based in Hawaii sounds funny.

I'm just an xcel hater sry :D

[Aguaholic]

Hey man, thanks for the education. I think your approach is much better than some others on here who just say "^&$% you bro I've been surfing since the 80's and you have no $^&#*&@ what you are talking about!" Getting all agro on someone who is less "knowledgable" than them.

Anyway, while they are tooting their horns about how many suits they've owned, I'll be working on my backside hack. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong and for all I know these are the best suits out there I've just never worn one to know whether they're good or not. That is why I stated that I don't know. Then continued to say that in my opinion I would feel more comfortable buying and supporting a surf company. I didn't ever say that the OP should buy from a surf company and not even look at the patagonia (it's out of his range anyway!) I said I would.

Thanks again for taking to time to respond in a reasonable manner and explaining yourself instead of just spewing from the mouth like other posters who "think" they know everything.

Dude! Are you gonna stop ****ING crying yet? You were uneducated on the subject get over it.

Otherwise, if you insist on talking trash lets meet up so I can end this.

[wallysurfr]

I'm not talking trash on you bro. That post was a response to mofosurfer. Believe me no one is crying I can post whatever I want. I admitted to being uneducated on the subject and I don't have to explain myself to you. If you want to go through life trying to prove that you are better than others and angry then be my guest.

[rgnsup]

It never fails to see an argument and a thread-take over. Start your own **** talking thread fellows...

[Aguaholic]

I'm not talking trash on you bro. That post was a response to mofosurfer. Believe me no one is crying I can post whatever I want. I admitted to being uneducated on the subject and I don't have to explain myself to you. If you want to go through life trying to prove that you are better than others and angry then be my guest.

haha...ok breh. Thanks for the PM (shakes hands) Just for the record though. I don't think I am better than others....I have just been around for a while and know some things. Yes I know I can be aggro. Still working on that one!:D

[souljahsky]

ok so.. do not buy and e bomb, they are ment for flexability. the fbomb is ment for warmth. i find that rip curl wetsuits are awlful. their seems are bad.

SEAMS have gone bad in every wetsuit I've ever owned. Which includes Quicksilver, O'neill, Xcel, Billabong, and Rip Curl. Only Rip Curl will take it back and replace them every couple years, for free. Including replacing any panels, tape, velcro, zippers, and elastic you include in the letter you send with it. It's really not a hassle sending it back at all, considering my suits sit unused for a good 4 months every year, and it only takes about 2 weeks or so from the day you ship it.

[souljahsky]

I always thought fluid welded seams were way better than taped but they are frought with issues.

Send your Rip Curl suit back when they go bad and get them replaced.

[B1ll]

Thanks for the help everyone. It looks like ive narrowed my choices down to:
4/3 Body Glove Vapor Chest Zip ($410) OR
4/3 Matuse Hoplite (last years model) on sale for under $400 dollars on their site.
DOES ANYONE OWN A MATUSE SUIT?
ive heard a lot of great stuff about them, but no one seems to have ever owned or used one.

[mofosurfer.com]

DOES ANYONE OWN A MATUSE SUIT?

No, but I have several friends who love theirs. I hear the same thing everytime when they first get it "Man, this suit is so comfortable but I feel like I'm going to bust these straps that go over your head in the first month." and yet the suits have lasted for quite some time with no problems. All of them claim that they work great, feel incredibly flexible, and keep them warm (take this with a grain of salt, I am in Southern California where it drops to a mind blowing 50-52 degrees mid-winter). Then again, I have some friends that use the 4/3/2 suit... they are amazed by how warm and flexible they are. Good suits.
Sorry I only have a few friends to base this on.

Hey, actually if you go to the surfermag.com forum and do a search you will find a TON of reviews on these suits. In fact, I recall one thread that was pages and pages documenting the life of a Matooooooose wetsuit.

Just remember to rinse them out, They need a lot more tlc (not thc) taking care of them. Hang it over a bar in the shade, dont hang it to dry on a hanger. :cool:

Lets put it this way, I've heard a LOT better things about that suit than the Vapor. In fact, the overall reviews I've heard/read on the Vapor were very poor. But then again, what do I know? I never had one. :rolleyes:

[Boss]

I have the Vapor, going on 4yrs old. There is nothing wrong with it, still in perfect condition, with all seams intact. It is so warm and pretty flexable too. It is WELL worth the $130 i got it for. If i were you i would look around and see if you can get a deal on it. (then again, i got it in the spring)

[mitchell]

Thanks for the help everyone. It looks like ive narrowed my choices down to:
4/3 Body Glove Vapor Chest Zip ($410) OR
4/3 Matuse Hoplite (last years model) on sale for under $400 dollars on their site.
DOES ANYONE OWN A MATUSE SUIT?
ive heard a lot of great stuff about them, but no one seems to have ever owned or used one.

I've had a matuse 3/2 for about a year. The geoprene is lightweight and doesn't absorb any water so it stays light - no big deal in a 3/2 but it feels great paddling and i'd love to see how their heavier wetsuits feel. Bottom line: lots of use, warmest 3/2 i've had, holding up nicely. Oh and as far needing extra TLC..this suit isnt getting anything extra from me...rinse and plastic coat hanger in the garage..am i supposed to be doing something more? F that.

[aka pumpmaster]

Send your Rip Curl suit back when they go bad and get them replaced.

I've sent them both back multiple times. It sucks though since if a big swell hits when your suit in in CA getting fixed your out of luck. I went out and bought a West 3/2 and 5/4/3 so the next time i have to send a suit back, I have backups.

[FollyQuest]

check out the billabong SG5 on they're website
I haven't worn it but i seems pretty good...it has solar panel type material on the back, pretty sweet

http://www.billabong.com/au/product-cat/202/sg5-wetsuits
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John 10:10

[mofosurfer.com]

Oh and as far needing extra TLC..this suit isnt getting anything extra from me...rinse and plastic coat hanger in the garage..am i supposed to be doing something more? F that.


I think that's all the tlc I mentioned that was needed. Just a rinse and hang in the garage (out of the sun) to dry.

Ummm... "No" if you were looking for a response from me? :D

[RobfromFredneck]

I have a 4/3 Hyperflex Flow. It was very warm and stretchy/comfortable. It worked well for me in 52 degree water/55 degree air on a dreary/rainy day last early April. I'm going to see how it does this winter...I'd bet I can go down into the high 40's water temp and still keep me pretty warm at least for an hour session.

With your budget, the top of the line Hyperflex Amp 5/4/3 hooded might be the best value purchase out there. I'm still waiting for some more "wear-n-tear" input from Hyperflex owners since alot of the positive comments are still on fairly new purchases (like mine).

PS: I'm not too crazy about the Hyperflex 5mm gloves I bought though. They get waterlogged easily and they don't extend up your wrist/arm quite far enough. They barely cover your hand so water comes in from the wrist.

[MATT JOHNSON]

I have a 4/3 Hyperflex Flow. It was very warm and stretchy/comfortable. It worked well for me in 52 degree water/55 degree air on a dreary/rainy day last early April. I'm going to see how it does this winter...I'd bet I can go down into the high 40's water temp and still keep me pretty warm at least for an hour session.

With your budget, the top of the line Hyperflex Amp 5/4/3 hooded might be the best value purchase out there. I'm still waiting for some more "wear-n-tear" input from Hyperflex owners since alot of the positive comments are still on fairly new purchases (like mine).

PS: I'm not too crazy about the Hyperflex 5mm gloves I bought though. They get waterlogged easily and they don't extend up your wrist/arm quite far enough. They barely cover your hand so water comes in from the wrist.

All my suits are hyperflex and range from 1-6 years old . My 3/2 My 5/4 are my oldest suits . the 3 /2 is going on its 4th year and the 5/4 is going on its 6th year in Dec.

They still have nice strech and warmth. The lettering on the one arm on the 5/4 is starting to come off but thats is.

I am getting either a 6/5/4 or a 5/4/3 Flow next weekend . The 6/5/4/ is 269.00 and the 5/4/3 is 224.00 . Both are from what I hear form ppl who have them say they are really Warm and have nice strech. If you ever have a issue with there suits they are in Millville , NJ so in most cases you can take the suite to them if it ever needed any type of repaire depending on where you live.


As far as TLC I rinse them out everytime I use them with fresh water and once a month is use wetsuit shampoo on them . Far and hanging them on a Hanger to dry I was always told never to do that cause it streches them out and puts stress on the seams. I either throw is over the shower curtain rod or I have and made rack which is a big wood dowl hung between the rafter of my shed and I hang my suits on them to dry as well

[idsmashh]

I am in Southern California where it drops to a mind blowing 50-52 degrees mid-winter

.....you spoiled son of a b*tch. come up to jersey mid-febuary bra. you'll be beggin for those "mind blowing" 50 degree water temps.

[MATT JOHNSON]

Getting my winter rubber ready this past weekend. got my boots and gloves and 5/4/3 outa my storage tote and sitting in a bucked of water with Cat5 wetsuit cleaner for about 48 hours like the bottle says. They are all ready to go .

[idsmashh]

Getting my winter rubber ready this past weekend. got my boots and gloves and 5/4/3 outa my storage tote and sitting in a bucked of water with Cat5 wetsuit cleaner for about 48 hours like the bottle says. They are all ready to go .

ughh. im dreading wearing a hood. im hoping my 4/3 can take me to the end of december

[mOtion732]

yo, if it's as cold as it was this morning at 6am (31 deg!), then the 5/4/3 is coming out for the dp session.

[idsmashh]

yo, if it's as cold as it was this morning at 6am (31 deg!), then the 5/4/3 is coming out for the dp session.

i knoowww man. im preyin water temps don't dip below 60 this weekend. my new xcel booties don't come in till next week :/

[johhnyutah]

where'd you get the hyperflex hood?
wetsuit warehouse carries them as well as the 5/4/3 Amp. I picked up the 5/4/3 last winter after a 42 degree (water temp) in my O'Neil Mutant 4/3. The suit held up fine for an hour but by the time I got out, I was COLD. The Hyperflex, is lighter, stretchier and warmer than the Mutant.

[johhnyutah]

Thanks for the help everyone. It looks like ive narrowed my choices down to:
4/3 Body Glove Vapor Chest Zip ($410) OR
4/3 Matuse Hoplite (last years model) on sale for under $400 dollars on their site.
DOES ANYONE OWN A MATUSE SUIT?
ive heard a lot of great stuff about them, but no one seems to have ever owned or used one.

If you go with Matuse, size up 1 size. Their suits are really nice but run small. I have the hoplite 3/2.