Like any craft, it comes down to the ability of the captain. Kayakers in the lineup don't bother me as long as the people in them know what they are doing, although I tend to be much more tolerant of someone in a small whitewater boat than on a true sit-on-top kayak because they tend to know what they're doing. There used to be a couple folks down here in WB back in the day (early to late 90's) when I worked for the Ships Store who would shred when it got good. I'm talking about barrel rolls, nose-pick 360's, reverse floaters to a 7 point windmill in the flats, etc--absolutely sick. We actually ran contests for a couple years. Guess the big difference is those folks found their own spot whenever it was crowded since most of them also surfed.
Like I said when I started the thread, I'm not against any one surf craft. Ride what you want I don't care. Just don't runover me. I'm guessing kayakers in the lineup wouldn't bother me either if the people in them knew what they were doing. I just haven't yet had that experience.
Just happened to me the day before yesterday in RI, I caught my first crappy wave, went right, and had to straighten out to avoid the kayaker paddling out. I paddled back out and stayed to the far left of the crowd to be on my own and he lined up next to me. Another wave came and we both went for it (I felt I had the peak), I made my bottom turn and there he was going straight. I barely straightened out to avoid the collision and that was that. I was annoyed but didn't feel like it was worth a confrontation.
Later a bigger set came rolling in and another surfer came paddling behind me from way over to snake the wave, didn't even consider my position, turned and went for it. I waited patiently in that spot and was set up to get the shoulder just to the right of the peak but now had to turn and paddle my ass off to get over the wave and avoid getting hit. After I got my body out of his way I slowed down my paddle hoping my tail was sticking out screwing up his line.
If I have a point it's that I am a little more forgiving about someone not knowing whats up and possibly causing a collision than someone who is experienced doing the same.
I see a lot of this stuff on here. This guy sucks that was a jerk. Most times its true but really...who cares? Its just surfing. There is no reason to get so worked up about it. If others bother you for one reason or another surf away from them. Or just chat with them in a non threatening manner and it will work itself out. No one is out there to ruin your session, everyone wants to surf theres plenty of ocean. Theres just so many things wrong in the world, to get yourself so worked up over surfing is just misplaced. If the lineup is crowded surf somewhere else or get there earlier or go later. Its just as bad to scream at someone over an ettiquette issue as it is to run somebody over in a plastic boat.
and what happens when your little chat doesn't work? paddle away with your tail between your legs? Go read the surf rage thread. it's not pretty, but getting aggro when someone just won't get it WORKS.
It's the rider, not the craft. Unless you're talking about that experienced rider who lost control of his craft since he apparently can't afford a $15 leash after dropping $300-800 on a board.
We were all kooks one day (or still are, in my case). Learning to operate a craft is personal, learning proper line up ethics is a group thing.
I wanted to thank everyone who contributed to this thread. There were very articulate folks voicing their opinions. perhaps I started the thread the wrong way by talking about my reaction to the incident. I wanted to vent off some steam about this but also was looking to see what others thought about surf kayaks. we got a little off topic when it got to surf rage and regulating line ups. but it has been one heck of a discussion with people making good points of both sides of both subjects. and I don't recall anybody calling anybody else names if they differed in opinion.Pretty cool.
Except surfer666. Who thinks I suck and called me a jerk. Anyone who calls themselves surfer666, then preaches kindness and that there is already too many problems in the world, and also calls someone names in the sameparagraph might be a little confused...or just a clown. I'm not going to make a decision on that until I see your response. which I'm betting you do.
The thing is if you do respond its because you have anger towards me, like any human being, and not because you're a jerk who sucks, Like me. If you don't repond than we know that you can really turn the other cheek and I say bravo to you. But maybe you should change your call sign yeah?
Again thanks everyone. As my first thread/post ever, I thought it went really well and will certainly contribute to other posts in the future. In fact I already have( this is a little addicting).
except you surfer666. you can go FK a duck.
I have been run over by everything from my best friends on bodyboards to tourists in rowboats. One thing everyone needs to realize is a crowded line up is a dangerous zone no matter how good you are at surfing. Going over the falls in a crowded line up or taking a set on the head is as dangerous on a shortboard as it is on any type of water craft. If I am getting tossed or getting closed out on, I could care less about who is in front of me, I will always blame myself if I'm paddling out and get hit. **** happens, if your not dead laugh it off and go on your way.