Some guy a long time ago talked about the benefits of turning the other cheek and forgiving past offenses.... I think he was talking about the cheeks on the face by the way. Anyway, he was making the point that people all make mistakes but should be forgiven. Do you naysayers think that nothing good has come out of organized religion? Do you think all followers of a religion should be persecuted for other's offenses?I assure you many more people have been helped than hurt by giving themselves to a higher power. Is it specifically Catholics that turn you off? Just curious. Average Joe Catholic never cheered when when a child was molested, he didn't cover it up either. He was just as saddened and disgusted as you were.
I don't think it's fair to compare this guy to a child molester because he wants to teach people about the sport he loves and his beliefs. Stereotypes are pretty ugly things, sometimes they're right but you should allow the person to prove that they fall under the stereotype first. (Please don't respond to that comment with the assertion that we should put the OP in a closet with a kid and see what happens... I think you get the point I'm making.)
What if the OP was impacting the coast for kids (seriously OP, rethink your slogan)? Just giving them the means to have a hobby that isn't xbox, meth or stealing cars. Would you have a problem with that? That seems like that's basically what he's doing, he wants to say "hey kid, have a surfboard and let me tell you about this interest of mine that has helped me in my life and may help you."
The kids that may receive a free board will probably look at it like a timeshare meeting... go for the free vacation but probably won't buy the 3 weeks a year. OP just wants to share an idea, sounds like a pretty good deal... My 16 month old son is really interested in a 9'6" noserider, let me know if you get any OP!
The OP isn't a great salesman but at least he's trying. What have you done today other than hate on someone whose beliefs are different than yours?
Good post. Levity at the right moments.
Originally Posted by ClemsonSurf
Not hating on anyone. Just very skeptical of the self-righteous. And very, very skeptical of someone handing out goodies to entice young people into the fold to then drill them with the proselytizing.
And want nothing to do with the proselytizing, whether it's Judeo Christian, Muslim, agnostic, Hari Krishna, pagan or atheist or whatever.
Just keep the I-got-it-all-figured-out stuff to oneself instead of jamming it at people. Esp kids, who are still working Life things out. Ever wonder why the ranks of the religious proselytizers, youth coaches, high school teachers have an inordinate number of freaks posing as mentors & leaders? NOT saying they're all bad; but an inordinate proportion of twisted adults are drawn to this like moths to flames.
Not hating. Just not trusting of the claims. Based on the human history of way, way too many transgressions over centuries; ya simply gotta be skeptical of this stuff. Keeps a person's soul intact. Not to mention other parts.
Hanna has my vote, he states it better than I ever could.
You are right. I'm willing to bet all his goats are underage.
It is amazing what Jesus and a free surfboard offer has turned into on this forum. With all the positive comments thanks, hope you PM me I would like to meet you. As for the negative no problem , a little graphic , just kept it from the kids. If the negative turns positive feel free to contact us. We would love to meet with you. As for the impacting the coast comment , impacts are being made in the name of Jesus.
Originally Posted by sonfollowerssurf
You are all about the ego - otherwise you wouldn't have posted the crap you wrote above. Self righteous egomaniac. I'm keeping my kid away from you.
Religion has no place here.. Unless you are looking for an argument. Too many different belieafs and strong opinions surround religion.
Donate surboards all day. But if you're gonna, do it for Jesus, Allah, Buddah , Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Superman or whatever else you belive in.
Last I checked, America still has Freedom of Religion. I'm disappointed to see so much hatred on here. I thought surfers were more tolerant than that. To the OP-you're doing a great thing. Keep it up. Unfortunately, we live in a culture where people don't want to acknowledge our Creator. Let's pray for them. In the mean time, everybody needs to realize that everyone has their own belief. Even atheists do...they believe that we are all here through random chance...something that's take more faith to me than believing in a creator...especially with all the science we have today that is pointing towards God...that''s indeed a hard faith to follow.
This post explains your whole problem. You feel the need to make yourself appear and or feel more Christian by "impacting the coast for Jesus". If your intintions were just to give surfboards to kids who need and or deserve them this non-believer could support that type of project. The problem occurs when you use the guise of free surfboards to attract kids to your "impacting". Giving the boards away without the verbal diarrhea would have gathered much more support of the entire surfing communitybnot just the Christian side of it.
Originally Posted by sonfollowerssurf
sonfollowersurf is simply being obedient to the scriptures more specifically, the great commission.
Matthew 28: 16-20
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
nynj: We are not talking religion. It's more like spirituality. How could you place Jesus in the same category as all those dead people and make believe character? Christ is alive and He doesn't look like He did while He walked the earth.
John speaking in Revelation:
I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades
Sorry to post all the verses but the Word of God is the only thing that will penetrate most of your hearts.