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Oct 31, 2008, 04:52 PM
rgnsup

Please don't let my next statement make you think any different of me... tho most of you do not know me already...

But **** IT! The gov't is crooked as **** and won't ever change. No one man/woman is going to change that.
Oct 31, 2008, 04:53 PM
wallysurfr

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Originally Posted by Zansurf

What about McCain's claim he wants to buy up all the bad mortgages? The government owning the mortgage to my house sounds pretty socialist to me. Socialism hasn't worked because it was forced on people in the past. The true dominance of socialism will only arise when the lower classes rise up in their position as the working class to realize their power in the production of goods and services. It is an idea based primarily on the industrialization that took place during the 18 and 1900's. The role of technology will one day stomp out any true possibilty for a marxist society and the true nature of past communist regimes will be realized. They were facist dictatorships under the guise of standing up for the worker. In a true marxist state the poverty that existed in the former soviet union and other countries doesn't exist in the utopian society described by Marx.

why would the lower class rise up into the working class when they can sit home, make babies and collect their checks?

It's like this test I took once, I studied for days, the class was hard, this test was going to decide whether I graduated with above a 3.0 or below. Hours and hours. Finally, the day of the test came and I crushed it because I put the time in. The professor handed back the tests and said "not everyone did as well as I thought so, we are going to grade this one on a curve". He added fifteen points to everyone who scored below a 70, he added ten points to everyone who scored below an 80, he added five points to everone who scored below a 90 and nothing for the rest. I could have paddled out and still gotten the same grade that I did but I knew that I wanted to work for my grade and the outcome was not "fair" at all. The people who did nothing ended up getting the same or close to the same grade that I got!

Is this like Obama's plan for "spreading it around"? the answer is surprisingly NO! Instead of the "professor" just giving out 15 points to those who didn't want to work he will be TAKING those points from your score and giving them to the people who were lazy, you know, just levelling the "playing field" a little bit. Does that sound right to you guys? I hope the students out there can relate to this...
Oct 31, 2008, 04:54 PM
Zansurf

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Originally Posted by BeachCruiser01

Current "socialist" systems in the United States:
- K-12 educational system.
- State College system.
- Police protection and in major metro areas, Fire Protection. EMTs if they aren't private.
- Parks, federal, state and local.
- Roads & Highways.
- Social Security
- Medicare
- Hoover damn power generation.
- Phone and electrical power delivery to rural areas.

Current systems that are socialist leaning:
- Farm subsidies.
- Private colleges who get research grants.
- Airline subsidies
- Anything that is a "public-private" partnership. An example: Nuclear power plants being insured by the federal government because no one else will insure them.
- Federal gov'ts buy into the banking system.
- Feds buy into AIG, the largest insurer in the world. Think I could get a break on my car insurance?

So the next time you drive down the road (public money) and surf the break that was recently repleneshed(public money). Or drive into the park at Indian River Inlet (public money) and surf the beach that has been replenished with sand paid for by the Army Corps of Engineers (public money).
Just remember somebody else paid for those things with tax dollars miles away from where you are surfing.

I can't tell if your happy about this or not, but i just thought i would add that it would be sick if college was free in this country.
Oct 31, 2008, 04:56 PM
Aguaholic

we are screwed either way whomever wins.....IMO both candidates suck.....I hate politics. I just wanna surf!
Oct 31, 2008, 04:57 PM
scotty

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Originally Posted by Zansurf

I can't tell if your happy about this or not, but i just thought i would add that it would be sick if college was free in this country.

i think his point is how ironic it was to hear McCain and his running mate Joe the Plumber act so shocked about wealth redistribution and socialism, when its been all around us, and we've all supported the parts of it we like, for as long as any of us can remember.
Oct 31, 2008, 04:57 PM
aka pumpmaster

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Originally Posted by StuckinVA

I concur. Enough with the scare tactics. Stop being afraid.

How can the neo-cons be trusted with our well-being when the only attack on our soil in the last 40+ years occurred on their watch. They knew there was a threat and chose not to take it seriously. If you want to be afraid, you should be frightened of them remaining in charge.

You do realize of course the Bill Clinton had 2 chances to get Bin Laden and didn't take them right?
Oct 31, 2008, 05:05 PM
mtd

I dunno, to me this whole argument about surfing and bodyboarding is as silly as skiing vs snowboarding - I mean, I think its all about havin' fun ridin' waves and...

wait.... what?... whoops! sorry, wrong thread....:o
Oct 31, 2008, 05:13 PM
rgnsup

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Originally Posted by aguaholic

we are screwed either way whomever wins.....imo both candidates suck.....i hate politics. I just wanna surf!

amen!!!!!!!!!
Oct 31, 2008, 05:25 PM
beachbreak

must be flat.
or i'm on the wrong website.
is this swellinfo?
this thread is gay.
i hate politics.
vote,and shut up.
whoever becomes president is not God,so if you actually believe he can singlehandedly make your life wonderful you're ignorant.
obama and mccain are just two people,and worse yet,they are politicians.
Oct 31, 2008, 05:30 PM
brandx

Alexander Fraser Tytler - an 18th cent. lawyer is attributed with this interesting observation

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.

Consider the US government is 232 years old and seems to be generally following this pattern. Perhaps living on borrowed time ?

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