once in cape may we were all blown out of the water by a popout longboard,not even really a surfboard in my purist opinion.SURFACE.
Then again in cape may recently by a guy on a short fishy nsp.
this is unbelievable;they work,i guess,sort of,but why would anyone,especially these two older guys,who are obviously skilled, ride this popout junk?
i want to see them on a Bing longboard or an In The Eye fish...
there's also been times when i've seen guys on the fake chinese old american brand logo boards ripping,too...
i believe they'd surf better and have more fun on a board shaped by a surfboard shaper if they got a board that suits them...
the cape may plastic toy board older guys ripping thing boggles my mind.
Many American's are drawn that way because of the price. It's like people going to Walmart for better deals instead of supporting the local mom and pop shops. Now, there aren't any mom and pop shops.
The crazy thing is that a locally shaped board is not much more expensive than a crappy popout. Let's hope these Chinese popouts don't put shapers out of business. The cheap Chinese labor has already killed the mom and pop businesses.
agreed,good point,thanks to WAWA there's fewer and fewer good deli's
yeah, this goes A LOT DEEPER than just surfboards.
Originally Posted by beachbreak
that being said, I wouldnt ride one, but most of those pop-outs are cnc'd within a hundredth of an inch to be "perfect"
my old man shaped 90% of my quiver and they are far from perfect. I wouldnt have it any other way.
Proper board design is a craft that takes skill, knowledge, creativity, and some risk taking. Many people just don't care enough about minor details in their surfboard to make it worth their while for them. Also, for example, I won't take out certain boards in my quiver on a shallow shore pound day, just cause I don't want to risk the damage.
Mom and Pop shops must provide service above and beyond the chain stores in order to survive. I am sure we all have had experiences in surf shops that provide great service, good selection and have workers that have a good knowledge base. I also have walked into various shops just looking for someone who wasn't stoned and in need of a shower.
i love a good deli that can't compete and no longer exists
No offense, but maybe local shapers should bring their pricing down. Granted, I have known my shaper for years, but he has me OUT THE DOOR, $300 with art. Brand spanking new shortboard... The going rate for a plus one or a merrick is $550-$650. So, my shaper makes BETTER boards, at about half the price. I've sat with him while he shaped for me. He really gets the boards done in not even a whole 8 hour work day. Yes, there is drying and it takes a week or so for the final product, but the ACTUAL amount of time that a GOOD shaper puts into a board, is not up in the $600 range. And if they spent that much time, they are probably still learning.
Originally Posted by barrels4liam
But hey, Im just saying. Im no shaper, but I run a business too. I run restaurants, and I love to get local products... Local produce, fish etc... But when local vendors and suppliers have pricing that is 2 or 3 times the going rate from U.S. Foods, ya know what, we all have to go corporate some times. If buying organic local produce kills my budget, im not doing it.... Its the american way. Competetive business. And there is a reason why local shapers have been losing the battle. Cause "Pop-out" technology is not nearly as bad as some people think... Yeah the NSPs and stuff can be crap... But look at boards like firewire etc... They are all machine built, based on EXACT specs by the shaper etc... So really, they have eliminated almost all the "hand crafting" etc... so while you are buying a great design by a great shaper, that shaper actually never touched your board, or even saw it.... Its called technology.... Guys arent going to be hand shaping logs one by one out on their deck and become Al Merrick. You gotta keep up with the times if you do it as a business. If you do it as a hobby, take your time, enjoy local shaping and creating art etc... But business is business....
Why do you think the ONLY board rentals in all of Hawaii are like 95% NSP long boards.... IN HAWAII of all places... The home of the "Locals"... Yet, there is no shaper, on ALL THE ISLANDS who can out bid NSP for like 10,000 rental boards/????? You cant complain about corporations taking over the game if no one is willing to compete with them... If surf shops need sturdy boards, that dont ding that last long, NSP is better than a local shaper... the boards SUCK... but they are investments, for the shops, just like our own boards are our own "investments"...
Which is why almost everyone on here has asked the Epoxy question... Or asked about firewires, cause they know, hey, over a couple years, this could save me money.... No one is really that psyched about the technology, its more the fact that they dont ding, and you may be able to get a longer life outta them...
Again, I love my local shaper... He kills it... But he also KILLS the competition by providing a better product at a much more reasonable price....
Good points BUT I think you have to include the 'lemming factor'. Alot of people buy boards because they see it hyped in the mags or vids so that's all they know, or they are status seekers who just have to have what the top pros ride.
boggles my mind that you would care. kind of judgmental for a self-described 'christian' aren't we? ;)
Originally Posted by beachbreak