wb and you can find me at crystal and sweetwater and all over wb.
Originally Posted by njsurfer42
how do you figure? i never said anything against skimboarding or negative about it in any way, shape, or form. the thrust of all my postings in this thread have been in regards to the direction the "lad" should go w/ his board search. i'm just not sure a full-on retro fish is a good idea for the OP's needs &/or (unstated) ability level.
at the risk of sounding like i'm being "tuff" on you, perhaps you should review your reading comprehension skills.
as for global, et. al., IMHO, they represent everything wrong w/ surfing today. they don't give a damn about surfing as a culture or a lifestyle. they're just out to make a buck & cash in on it's popularity. local shapers & other genuine surfboard manufacturers could easily fill the niche taken by the superfish if the void were to reappear, & they could likely do it better, both in board design & durability. anyone who buys that crap is a kook & has earned my ire. i will drop in on anyone i see riding those pieces of crap.
so if you come to my home break in wrightsville beach and you see a bunch of guys on wavestorms yes the boards you get at costco and sams club you will drop in on us? well guess what we can all surf amazing on those and then we can go to a regular shortboards and still be able to surf amazing. so guess what before you should drop in on anybody you should first see them ride a few waves on any kook board. as i surf with a guy from hawaii he was born there total local surfed pipe and is even related to sunny garcia and he surfs a wavestorm during te summer before his surf class in the afternoon, and when he doesnt have a class he'll ride what ever board he feels like and is not afraid to chrage the big waves.
so please before you drop in on anyone first see what their wave surfing abilities are.
There's a reason "retro" is in the name, we have evolved. Sure they're cute and fun at times, but to have a 70's style twin fin as your only board is not a good choice. There are many modern fishy shapes that work as a good all around board for most of the conditions you will be able to comfortably handle. The Lost RNF someone mentioned is a good example. Just get it fat, wide, and flat....the key being not too flat, you still want some nose rocker, especially if you're new to it. We are surfing beach breaks here, not slopey west coast reefs.
Sometime Retro dont go out of style
Originally Posted by Recycled Surfer
You can't go wrong Jim from Legend & Brian Wynn. Both local NJ shapers that stand behind their product. Another shaper who makes some killer fish is Tim Nolte from OBX. http://www.timnoltesurfboards.com/
I am gettin my retro fish from Legend and it looks sick , I have seen a few of wynn too and I hear good stuff about his retro fish's also
Originally Posted by kidrock
Rod, you have an excellent point. But the Big Rock crew of which you speak were kneeboarders (the Huffman bros, Myrman, Skinner, etc) who exclusively rode fishes shaped by Steve Lis. Standup riders at the LJ reefs usually rode pintails in the 70's. A couple of guys back in the day would ride the fish at some of the reefs around the Cliffs area, but those reefs aren't quite as critical.
The thing to remember about the Fish is that it is almost strictly a fast, straight down-the-line board when the surf is fast and hollow. The flat rocker and lack of curve in the template dictates this. Conversely, the flatness and wideness of the shape makes it a good choice on flatter, mushier days and allows for fun carving.
This is why a retro fish is a excellent board for the eastcoast in the summer/fall
I sit there and cant help to laugh my ass off in the summer when I see you kid who bought the coolest $700 off the rack fad going paddle out and doesnt catch one wave. 3months later what do u see in the surf shop thats right his board.
It almost a virus now with the new groms coming up the peckin order that your not "cool' or your a "kook" if you dont ride this type of board. What the reality is that the surfer who doesnt fall into the what is cool trick is catching more waves on his board cause its at his skill level. I am not knock those 700 dollar of the rack boards (lost , Ci Firewires ect) but i would say that 70% of the boards made from those companies are not made for our quality of waves.
Hey Lolwut, get a funnie or longboard. do your time on it. it pays off. you will be surfing for ever son so dont rush the important stuff. you skim, i used to. you are gonna learn so fast bro. what ever board you start with you will have in your quiver forever until you retire it as your first surfboard. bottom line is that surfers have quivers. start yours and let it grow as you do. LONGBOARDS/FUNBOARDS DEVELOP STYLE. remember that the next time you see a guy riding a shortboard looking like karate kid with a wide stance like hes going to mount a horse or something. you dont want that. longboards provide the most magnified approach to surfing. shortboards are tooo quick and fast and will prolong your development. just look at the longboarders.
I have a Chaize twin fin 5'10 fish and love it. I definitely recommend getting a board from this guy. He's a local shaper from asbury park and makes great retro shapes like bonzers, eggs, and fishes. Without a doubt this guys what you're looking for. Also I'd look into al merrick if you're more into the new school stuff with an old school edge. They have a few cool boards like that like "the pod", the biskcuit, the fishcuit and the dumpster diver. They are all pretty rad, but also a pretty penny too. If you're into the newer shapes than go for them. Otherwise I'd say Chris Chaize all the way!
anyone who buys that crap is a kook & has earned my ire. i will drop in on anyone i see riding those pieces of crap.
man..im as down with buying local shapes as the next guy, but i dont see your point ^^. You have no idea whether the guy your dropping in on bought the board, rented it, or is just riding a crappy 7s popout it for the hell of it. I wouldnt buy a GSI, but ive rented them on trips, paddled out locally on random popouts just for the hell of it. If you drop in on me for no reason other than what label is on the board im riding, you have issues.
... anyone who buys that crap is a kook & has earned my ire. i will drop in on anyone i see riding those pieces of crap.
not promoting the board, just the peace.... but have you ever ridden one? I rented a 5'10 superfish for a few days and surfed it in waist high to a little overhead playa grande. I grumbled a little when the kid handed it to me, but ill admit, its a decent board. Easy to get waves on and it handled OK. The board was never a limiting factor.
Point being... you wouldn't have dropped in on me because of what I was riding, if you could even tell. Those boards have their place in the food chain, and im sorry that all of the kooks in your area are riding them. In vb the kooks are the ones on the $1000 "custom" boards.
In vb the kooks are the ones on the $1000 "custom" boards.
Good point, how many of us have seen kooks on Al Merricks? How can you automatically assume people know how to ride based on their rig? Makes no sense...
You can tell the talent of a surfer by how they ride not what they ride.
how do you figure? at the risk of sounding like i'm being "tuff" on you, perhaps you should review your reading comprehension skills. .
You right my comprehension skills got in the way reading OP 1st post then how you allowed your ego to run a muck knocking skim boarding when OP was reaching out with a very honest post about his ability, experience and aspirations. You missed the boat comprehending a new member being scolded by a seasoned member "don't give a crap about skim boarding". It very obvious you have issues with certain areas of surfing but how are you making it better knocking new posters and stating dropping in on riders with off brand boards. I have respect for those here who provide just outstanding advise and opinions for those who seek it just as much for those on the beach who help the less experience in spite of the type of board and ability. Just give it some thought about the bigger picture and not the narrow picture you have painted .
bonzers are not always retro...does this look retro to you?
kook=barney=not a real surfer. in terms of the 7s superfish, the rider is a kook in the sense that, on some level, they're more interested in the price of their board than in supporting shapers who still shape by hand. it's the same mindset that resulted in the explosion of "big box" stores all over the country & the demise of the "mom & pop" shop. people are more concerned w/ saving a pennies than in supporting local craftsmen & women.
& no, i've never ridden one of those boards. nor will i ever. when i travel, i take boards w/ me from my personal quiver. & if i broke every board in my quiver, i'd seek out a local shop & purchase a board made by a shaper from whatever country i'm in or a used board. i wouldn't rent a piece of chinese or tiwanese made crap. to borrow from a ricky carroll ad from a few years ago, "charlie don't surf. so why is he making your surfboards?"
the options are there, if you choose to search them out. surfing is my life & everything else revolves around it. the more people buy pop-outs & boards made overseas, the less work shapers like brian wynn, jim barnes, tim nolte, scott busby, et. al. have. eventually, they'll close their doors & you'll never be able to get another board from them. the margin is already small. how much more slim can that get if they want to stay in business?