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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensei View Post
    Who'sgonna break it to Sunny Garcia? I'm not telling him.
    definitely not me =)

    But I really had no point to the thread. This comment came from another topic about hating on SUP surfing. They were saying that none of us should hate on SUPing cause unless we have Polynesian roots, we have no right to dictate surfing etc.... I was just saying. Hawaii did not invent surfing or anything. No point other than that.

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    my take

    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    definitely not me =)

    But I really had no point to the thread. This comment came from another topic about hating on SUP surfing. They were saying that none of us should hate on SUPing cause unless we have Polynesian roots, we have no right to dictate surfing etc.... I was just saying. Hawaii did not invent surfing or anything. No point other than that.
    That's really just a racism thing, in my opinion. I don't like it, but I understand it. Good ole Uncle Sam showed up on Oahu and just took over. We humiliated the Hawaiians, just like the Native Americans, and surfing in the islands is an arena where that frustration can be vented. Notice, "can" and not "should" in that sentence. Every negative encounter I experienced clearly had its roots in the idea that somehow I'm an imperialist thug. Is that true? Seeing that I'm in the military, and we seized control for military reasons...well...yeah! I don't like to admit it because I'm a light-hearted cheery person, but that's the truth folks.

    It's not changing any time soon, but the anger and frustration we see in surfing is inextricably connected to hostility towards an imperialist empire. Some might say the surfing attitudes stem from a culture that is rife with domestic violence and aggressive tendencies. This is also true, but I'd say most of the cultural issues also stem from the Hawaiians' experience with the conquering heroes, so even then it's still an (indirect) connection.

    So, to sum it all up, I think that the Hawaiians insisting on their "invention" of surfing is just a matter of pride on their part. Given that modern surfing was essentially reborn on the shores of Waikiki, I don't see any problem with that assertion. After all, between poverty and drug problems and the rest, I feel like they do deserve SOMETHING to hold onto. That being said, could I PUULLLEAAASE just once not get dropped in on at Rocky Point??!!! Wait a minute, that's the Brazilians.

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    Now for the rest of the story,.....I think we should all look at what we recognize as surfing,..the Hawai'ians, and most link "board" surfing, as the link to their (our) heritage.
    Thus, the rub with what you call "reed surfboating"--even Glen Henning, co-founder of Surfrider, who's been an outspoken cheerleader of Peru's contribution to "surfriding", acknowlegdes the difference.
    Good Luck with your interpetation of "inventing".

    Aloha Nui

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    Free snookie

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    Free snookie
    ...And dump her ass in the Pine Barrens!

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    Man your tough on those Hawaiians, just give it to them. There is not a whole lot to go around out there - let them have their claim to fame.

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    im sure Kala Alexander would not agree with you LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlwbiFusRhY

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    they gave us epic surf. We gave them Dog the bounty hunter (and his ridiculous family), a snake infestation, then a mongoose infestation, and chrystal method "ice".

    your welcome.

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    Yeah, I love hawaii. I dont really care. I was just saying. Hawaiians originally surfed "vessels" the same as the peruvians did. But the south americans were also stand up surfing on small vessels with paddles (Like SUP) etc... So although Hawaiians "popularized" the sport of surfing as we know it, I was just pointing out that people were standing on boards and riding waves on those boards and with their humans bodies hundreds and hundreds of years before Hawaii was populated...

    Just an interesting look at history. Thats all. Hawaiians were on the forefront of modern surfing. But everyone wants to protect their land. HI, CA, NJ... HI has great waves, but so do a lot of places. I am sure the Aussies argue that they had a lot more to do with modern surfing in the past 50-60- years than hawaiians did. And a lot of people in CA feel that way too. People have been riding waves everywhere for a long time. Thats pretty cool.

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    And to the other comments, I feel you on the imperialistic outlook at americans and outsiders... But one thing that Hawaiians need to remember is that we saved them from speaking Japanese and we also saved their land, their ecosystem, their whales and their waves. If the US did not take control of that land during wartimes, Hawaii would have been ruined.

    So everyones turf gets stepped on. Deal with it. Puerto Rico. etc. We have territoties all over the world. And hawaii still protects itself from the US. We cant buy land there. We are not really welcome there... Its kind of wack. I am just saying. I love their waves and their culture, but they did not invent surfing. There are better waves elsewhere in the world, and it probably keeps their poverty levels higher than normal by not allowing normal american real estate and commerce out there....

    Good for them. Good for the surfers. Its a shame we cant just shut Real Estate in OC MD for anyone who doesnt have a maryland birth certificate. Ya know?