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  1. Quote Originally Posted by leethestud View Post
    LOL @ the tiny waxed square. I bet it looks so cool on their wall... My friends give me sh*t because i wax my short board almost to the nose. My waxing philosophy is better to have and not need than.. ya know. I dont feel bad though, dane even waxes the top of his feet for free-surfs.

    Legend Jim- also curious.. where are you based? I have sampled the work of some local VB/OBX guys but dont know if I have honestly found "my" shaper. Its not Al though...
    I was based in Bundoran, Donegal, Ireland now in South Jersey.
    Keep looking. It will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendJim View Post
    what about the college kid or hard working adult that can't drop $500-$700 every time their board breaks because you didn't glass it with enough strength. All to save $20.00 a board... Great for CI, bad for you.

    ...mostly made overseas... not right in my opinion.
    Yep... a great mind for business. That's one of the two reasons why the guy has an empire and is the most successful shaper in the history of surfing. The other is, obviously... great boards.

    But you're right, Jim. Construction is a different topic. I stopped building boards the "standard construction" way a long time ago for myself, and I encourage the same for others. But if 4 oz over blue with a sanded hotcoat is what you want, that's what you get.
    Last edited by LBCrew; Mar 17, 2011 at 10:01 PM.

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    The best board is one custom shaped to your area's conditions and your liking by a local shaper who knows what is required. You'll never see enough deck glassing on most of these mass-produced boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigSURFsk8 View Post
    shows your horrible lack of not getting the point, obviously progression is going to occur, but your really going to steal someone else's DESIGN and call it your own? your not stealing when your buying a board with fins on it or buying a thurster its the fact that the design was stolen and he took credit for something someone else did, yea taking shapes and refining them WITHOUT PERMISSION without giving the original person credit is stealing in my book. im sure you would be pissed if you made that design and could of made a lot of money off of it but some dude from bradley beach that moved to cali stole ur idea and is set for life from it
    i seriously doubt robert weiner is pissed b/c CI "stole" the concept of a stubby, wide, thick hp shortboard from him. no one had ever done that before he did... he's gotten thousands, possibly millions, of dollars in free advertising from the ridiculous up-roar that has surround those 2 shapes. how many people had heard of roberts surfboards before all of this? not nearly as many as know about them now!

    there are so many aspects that go into a surfboard beyond the basic outline. rails, foil, bottom contours, fin placement, etc...as someone else has mentioned, the white diamond from roberts & the dumpster diver from CI are barely similar.

    let me make this abundantly clear: you lack reading comprehension skills. surfboard design is, & always has been, a give & take. someone comes up w/ an idea for a board & makes it. another surfer sees it, checks it out, & makes one that's similar but w/ his own spin on it. the guy who made the original sees the other guy's version, & makes tweaks to his own. thus progression in design occurs. if shapers had to pay royalties to the creator of a given design or be accused of stealing, then the campbell brothers would be millionaires several times over due to the reproduction of their bonzer concept. same w/ simon anderson & the thruster. but none of them are. why? b/c that's not how surfing works. is it right? eh, maybe not. but the only people who've patented designs are sell-outs. walden, for example, has a patent on the rail/bottom contour combo of his magic models. can't reproduce them or you may face legal action (as some have recently found out).

    bottom line on CI: if you're looking for a decently shaped, lightly glassed board that you know will work & don't mind dropping the coin & don't want to wait for a custom, then go for it. more than likely you'll be happy w/ your choice.
    as i said in a previous post, i wouldn't ride them if i didn't get them well below retail. but they work for me & suit the kind of surfing i like to do.

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    channel islands boards are great. Has anybody had any experience with proctor boards out of ventura. His website is sick and you can actually talk to him about his shapes. I think he is getting ready to blow up. Just my opinion. I think there are great shapers right here on the east coast. Brand isnt everything but definately apeals to some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer42 View Post
    why? b/c that's not how surfing works. is it right? eh, maybe not. but the only people who've patented designs are sell-outs. walden, for example, has a patent on the rail/bottom contour combo of his magic models. can't reproduce them or you may face legal action (as some have recently found out). .
    You're right again, maybe this is the Steve Walden's patent design but the original patent was applied for in 1966 so just don't understand how Walden is proprietary when there are many other similar surfboard patents. Some surfboard patents date as far back as 1920 while most are observed in the 1960's/70's so it seems maybe patents either reapplied for after they expired? Walden doesn't deserve it ................

    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...y=PN%2FD527781


    United States Patent D527,781
    Walden September 5, 2006

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    Surfboard

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    Claims

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    CLAIM The ornamental design for a surfboard, as shown.
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    Inventors: Walden; Steve (Ventura, CA)
    Appl. No.: D/240,697
    Filed: October 17, 2005

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    Current U.S. Class: D21/769
    Current International Class: 2102
    Field of Search: D21/769,770,801,803,804,806,807,810 114/363 D2/731,732 441/55,56,58,60,61-66,68,69,72-75,79 D12/303,304,309



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    References Cited [Referenced By]

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    U.S. Patent Documents

    D206506 December 1966 Lambach
    3317937 May 1967 Gallagher
    3323154 June 1967 Lambach
    3337886 August 1967 Ekstrom
    4857025 August 1989 Brown et al.
    D323691 February 1992 Olson
    6551157 April 2003 Bishop
    D515684 February 2006 Latone
    2004/0067702 April 2004 Thornburg

    Primary Examiner: Veynar; Caron D.
    Assistant Examiner: Bennett; Zenia I
    Attorney, Agent or Firm: Hanscom; Eric


    Just for giggles how many royalities should be paid to this patent holder


    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...d&RS=surfboard


    Another shocking discovery is the number of patents on fins, fin boxes, leash's, leash plugs, board bags and the "swallow tail"on Fish's.
    Last edited by goofy footer; Mar 18, 2011 at 01:40 AM.

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    It really isnt about patents and what not. Its mostly just a matter of respect. If you're making millions of dollars off of someone else's EXACT idea and not giving them credit, then quite frankly, it's just being a ****. I can see how shaping is about refining other's ideas, but at least recognize you weren't the original creator.
    But thats just speaking hypothetically, we don't know if Al stole the idea or not.

    I highly doubt the Dumpster Diver was actually a directly stolen shape, considering the whole "short and wide" idea is found in literally every other shortboard on the market today.

    And to add to Al Merrick's defense:
    The Epic Tale of the "Dumpster Diver"
    Once upon a time...
    When Dane showed up at the factory requesting a short wide epoxy with single concave and a huge square tail to make the summer bearable, the Dumpster Diver was born. When he came back a week later and wanted one with a narrower nose and a Rookie tail template for the Trestles contest in 3 days, the 2nd Generation Dumpster Diver was created.

    (found on the board's description http://www.cisurfboards.com/sb_Dumpster-Diver.asp)

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    Its hard to believe he's from Bradly Beach. Who would of thought?My long board is a AI waterhog.Very nice board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ND081 View Post

    And to add to Al Merrick's defense:
    The Epic Tale of the "Dumpster Diver"
    Once upon a time...
    When Dane showed up at the factory requesting a short wide epoxy with single concave and a huge square tail to make the summer bearable, the Dumpster Diver was born. When he came back a week later and wanted one with a narrower nose and a Rookie tail template for the Trestles contest in 3 days, the 2nd Generation Dumpster Diver was created.

    (found on the board's description http://www.cisurfboards.com/sb_Dumpster-Diver.asp)
    in all fairness, this is the "cover story" CI put out after the blow up on the internet w/ roberts' white diamond & the dumpster diver when there were photos published on dane riding a WD instead of a CI on a trip somewhere.

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    I have a Fishcuit that I purchased, first every CI purchase and my most $$$ surfboard purchase ever. Must say that it was absolutely worth it, I can ride that board in almost anything! It catches waves so easily....all I do now is the tail pop and maybe two paddles and I'm in, big and small days alike. My only complaint is the glass is so thin it took me a while to forget about breaking it and ride the board as it should be ridden.

    Actually, I have a story about this Fishcuit of mine, which made me a CI fan probably for life. This is my second Fishcuit. The first one broke the DAY I bought it on my third wave. I snapped the board in half near the nose. Heartbroken I brought the board back to the shop. They called up CI and the company agreed to send me a brand new board, all I had to do was pay for shipping. Sweet! I can't guarantee that CI would do this again, I might have just been lucky and the guy on the other end of the phone line might have been just having a really good day or something. But it definitely makes me grateful for CI and since the board rides so well I think my next board might be a CI...