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    Are firewire pop outs?

    This post carries over from the craigslist alert thread. Not calling anyone out at all who call them poputs, but I wonder though how much different the term "pop out" applies to a firewire over to a channel islands. I don't think the process is any different-is it?

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    Oh boy, Here we go!!!

    Yes I have a Firewire Spitfire 5'10" and I love it!!! Blows the doors off the Stewart I traded in. (performance wise).

    Thanks!

  3. I would say about the same. Pop out is a term used in the 60's for boards that were litterly pop-out'd out of the mold, routered in a stringer, then went to glass with no shaper needed. Firewire/Channel Islands are more of what you called CNC'd out. What would make the difference is the extent to which they are CNC'd. CI has one of the best shaping machines out there, which requires just a little touch of sandpaper and sand screen. Every big name shaper uses the CNC machine now of days. As defined by the term popout, Surftech is the big company that comes to mind. I don't think it matters as long as you go can out and have fun on it, to me a surfboard is anything you can surf on haha
    Last edited by mgarbutt; May 5, 2011 at 12:45 PM.

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    Exactly my thoughts about just going out and having fun.

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    I dont think what firewire has going on in regards to "pop outs" is any differnet (other than construction method) than ...lost, Channel isalnds or any of the big time manafacturers are doing. USing CNC mass produce boards them having someone finish shaping them. I get boards from a shaper that works for one of these bigger companies... he orders a blank off of one of their models the n makes his changes to the bottom contours, outline, tail etc.... Pop outs are bics surtechs, etc that are are very generic boards coing out of a mold. Firewire has a hand finished blank then use a vacuum molding process to glass the board. Lynn Shell on the outerbanks has actually been able to get a few blanks form firewire and hand shape them then do his own vaccum bag epoxy technicque. So no Firewires, Coils, XTRs, are not pop outs, just different construction.

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    Sorry about type-Os

    Sorry about type-Os Im here at work and have to keep this site really small on the lower portion of my screen so I cant see what I am typing, I hope you guys can decphier it.

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    Pop out... sort of. As mentioned before, its a cnc process. After having the privilege of working with multi tooling CNC milling machines, I have found that most are often accurate to 1oooth of an inch. This means that you get exactly what you ask for. Thanks to board cad programs and other pattern softwares, the machine can make an exact replica of a great board. It is likely that the parent shape was faired by hand. So, call it a clone, not a pop-out.

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    There is no performance difference, correct? and should the way it's made have an impact on prices?

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    I think one of those machines costs around 40k...so you're paying for the investment, shaper's expertise, r&d from taj burrow and friends, the brand, shipping, shop markup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryk View Post
    There is no performance difference, correct? and should the way it's made have an impact on prices?
    Performance difference compared to what?

    There could definately be a performance difference between a pop-out and a custom shape. One you get to control the details by talking to the shaper, one you dont. More input into the final product = more likely the final product does what you want.

    If you mean performance difference between same exact shape one CNC cut, the other hand shaped. Probably not.

    theoretically CNC construction should be a factor in lowering prices since its main purpose is to speed the production process, and create uniformity. At least thats my guess.