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    So true...global warming is a very political topic. Regardless....decreased burning of fossil fuels sounds like a great idea...but our actual impact on the global environment...not so sure it's so devastatingly dire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieInOC View Post
    1st the scientists claimed global warming would cause more storms and that they would become stronger, now they claim that global warming is reducing the storms this year. How many times have we heard claims of hyper active huricane years only to experience little or no activity. If anyone thinks for a moment that these "Experts" have a real clue as to the causes and effects of our ever changing environment you are delusional. We live on a very dynamic planet, 400 million years ago the entire surface of the planet was covered in a 1 mile thick layer of ice at other times it has been at a boil. We humans have been here for not even a blink of the eye in terms of geological time. A billion years from now, we won't even be a memory. ENOUGH ALREADY ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING BEING THE CAUSE OF EVERY PERCEIVED PROBLEM THAT CERTAIN POLITICAL GROUPS CAN DREAM UP TO SUPPORT THEIR AGENDAS.

    Face it, it's just been a ****ty fall for surfing around here.
    Well, YES, the climate of our earth changes contstantly over its multi billions years of existence, but global warming doesn't indicate natural change, but rather rapid change caused by humans that started a century ago from the start of the industrial revolution. So to ignore this human impact doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swellinfo View Post
    I've never heard of the correlation between global warming and less hurricanes... Do you have a link or reference to this? Much research indicates an increase in storms due to rise in Sea surface temps.

    Haha...totally agree with you, Micah!
    Dude...you wouldn't even be able to "feel" the effects of "global warming"..what it's like a 1 degree increase....jeez....it's so blown out of proportion (not to say let's ignore the whole issue) but,...let's just say i'd rather there be a "global warming" than say another ice age.

    Micah, are doing any traveling this Fall/Winter?
    I'm heading out to SoCal in Nov for the USBA (IB or Rosarita), but may possibly go to HI instead for the first week of November and then make it in time for the USBA Rosarita event (Nov 9-11).

    Hope to trade waves with you again in the near future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swellinfo View Post
    Well, YES, the climate of our earth changes contstantly over its multi billions years of existence, but global warming doesn't indicate natural change, but rather rapid change caused by humans that started a century ago from the start of the industrial revolution. So to ignore this human impact doesn't make sense.
    but,gobal warming is a natural process of the heating of the earth's atmosphere, this is evident in the increasing co2 levels. however, we need to figure out how much of this increase is due to human impact. The IPCC attributed over 90% of the cause of the increase in co2 level to human impact

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustysrfr View Post
    but,gobal warming is a natural process of the heating of the earth's atmosphere, this is evident in the increasing co2 levels. however, we need to figure out how much of this increase is due to human impact. The IPCC attributed over 90% of the cause of the increase in co2 level to human impact
    the therm "global warming", by definition in not a natural process. It is the process of human induced climate change, that like you said is largely driven by the increase in co2 levels we humans have put into the atmosphere. The stat you just showed where 90% of the co2 increase is human induced would justify this argument.

    I can't recall exactly, but over the past say 100 thousands years, we are in an increasing temperature trend, but most data indicates this has been spiked upward significantly since the industrial revolution (more so, since the mid 1900s).

    Just to let you know I received my masters degree in climatology, so I've had many experiences of looking into the research and listening to scientific lectures on the subject.
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    [QUOTE=Darealm;3781]Here is a link to the NOAA article describing the increased wind shear attributed to global warming.

    Thanks for the link, very interesting.

    As far as global warming goes... it seems to be clearly evident that the way we've been living since the railroad earth days has begun to change nature, but in observation of the short time frame this is just the start of our impact. Thats what I understand it to be. I urge everyone not to shut themselves down because of labels and politicians... they are both rather meaningless.

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    I can't recall exactly, but over the past say 100 thousands years, we are in an increasing temperature trend, but most data indicates this has been spiked upward significantly since the industrial revolution (more so, since the mid 1900s).

    Just to let you know I received my masters degree in climatology, so I've had many experiences of looking into the research and listening to scientific lectures on the subject.
    i stand corrected. i guess the right term would be climate change, but "anthropogenic global warming" specifically refers to human induced global warming. so what is the correct term exactly? nonetheless, is was just stating that there are natural warming and cooling trends of the earth.
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    absolutely, climate change is natural. Thats what makes the global warming debate difficult.

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    sweet. thanks for correcting my terminology.

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    Micah,

    Do you remember a few years ago when Brian S. was in Puerto and you were on the phone wih him predicting when/where the swell would be good?

    Ha,ha...well, I will quote him as he said that moment: "I don't know where I would be without Micah...lost for sure!"

    Stoked, keep spreading the knowledge/wisdom to us all!