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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by callmedaddy View Post
    May want to broaden your sample data.... there are always 12 kooky dudes on sups at the light house, just like at the VB oceanfront. Rule of thumb- dont surf anywhere that has convenient parking and showers if SUPs and kooks bother you, simple as that. Nobody wants to lug an 80lb sup board over a dune to the beach. If you are fighting with crowds you gotta ask yourself, is it really any better here than a few blocks / miles away? If you are sitting around in a crowd complaining about kooks, well, you may be a kook.

    I live in VA, I have family in Carolina. I am familiar with both areas. People are more friendly in Carolina and SUP are fewer in abundance. There is 20 or so miles of ocean front in VA south of the eastern shore. In the outer banks alone there is over 100 miles of coast line. Not only that, VA is a large metropolitan area. North eastern North Carolina is just starting to feel the urban sprawl. The population density on the outer banks is so sparse that if you are surfing a crowded break there it's because you chose to. In VA if it's good, I'm probably in the outer banks, BUT on the rare occasion I am there I know how it is. It's crowded. It doesn't matter where you paddle out, there are no secret spots. And the reality is the last few summers, and during last years hurricane swells (minor as they were) there were SUP'ers increasingly abundant in the line up. And they are reckless.

    I'm not saying all SUP'ers are reckless or kooks. That's ridiculous. I saw the Kelly Slater in 3d movie at the muesum and the Tahitian guy was absolutely ripping double over head teahupoo (sp?) on a probably 9 foot stand up paddle board. I also bet that guy has a ton of the respect in the line up and understands how important it is to be mindful of other people.

    I'd like to see the SUP'ers tighten up their act. I'm not a bully in the water and I am the last person to become physical or violent. I'm usually not alone so it's rare that people infringe on my friends and my own rights. We are all big strong young men. And we go hard so we earn respect and give it where it's due.

    My beef with the SUP is that they move from peak to peak and will drop in on someone who was sitting on the peak next in line without hesitation because they can get in the back. That wouldn't fly more than once or twice around me before I said something and made you feel uncomfortable. It's not an isolated incident but I think it was worse last year. I'm assuming some of them are reading these threads, I know there are SUP guys on this site, and hopefully the ones who are doing it will realize the error of their ways.

    You don't see them on the really gnarly days, but they can get out on a clean long period inconsistent hurricane swell and really bust up a line up.

    If I can manage I don't paddle out near anyone, especially SUP'ers just because I know they are so manueverable and they are going to take advantage of it. You can't really blame them for utilizing the tools they have available. But at the same time having been burned by several novice SUP'ers, and being nearly run over by some old man with a yellow and black SUP last summer I have bad experiences which have shaped my opinion. If it continues to become more and more popular hopefully the percentage of SUP'ers who have decent etiquette will increase. I certainly hope so because they are going to be out there and we need to all get along.

    I don't hate SUP'ers intrinsically but they are going to have to earn my respect. I'm specifically talking about in VA beach too so if you aren't then we can't compare. I have seen a few SUP in the banks but I usually find my own spot there and even when I don't they are much more sparse there. As for the light house I have no idea I never surf there. Never felt the need to drive that far.
    Last edited by glassjaw; Aug 7, 2011 at 04:27 AM.

  2. #42
    Being a SUP rider is hardly a key qualifier for being a waterman. And who gives a rat's ass anyway? It is just a label. Moreover, not even 1% of SUP boarders out in the surf zone would qualify as a waterman under any stretch of imagination. Take their leash away and they are lost puppies. Put them out in 12 foot surf and they will turn whiter than white. Please don't confuse the issue of that vast majority of SUP riders in the surf zone with something called a waterman or a surfer with some semblance of surf etiquette. It is outright lazy greed.

  3. #43
    I think the proposition that people hate SUP'ers because it is the popular thing to do is dismissive. The fact that so many people have such strong feelings about the subject proves that there is a problem.

    I believe the reason there is so many kook SUP'ers is because many of them haven't been surfing very long.

    Since I started body boarding the hatred towards me as a body boarder has decreased drastically, or at least not as many surfers wear their hate on their sleeves anymore. I think that has to do mainly with the fact that they see me beat them out to the line up, they see me getting more waves, staying on the peak, dropping in deeper, and I've earned their respect. When I first started I was a kook just like all of us were and I'm sure I pissed plenty of decent surfers off by not having my bearings in the line up. I learned my lessons and came back a better rider.

    Before last summer I don't think I had EVER seen a stand up paddler and if I had it was so infrequent that it's lost to my memory. That means that these guys have at most two years experience. That's not much time on the east coast to have any decent amount of solid swells under your belt. If you got two over head clean days a year here you are lucky. So there is this huge influx in novice riders. As they progress we will see them also become more aware of the line up etiquette. At least that's what I'm expecting.

    Hopefully in a few years we won't be having this conversation and then it will truly be only the most vile and hate filled among us that feel the need to lash out against any of their fellow wave riders based solely on their board choice.
    Last edited by glassjaw; Aug 7, 2011 at 04:57 AM.

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    i think life guards on those "force feild" boards are just as bad ifnot worse

  5. I got an idea, shut up and surf.

    There is a ton of SUPs in Rhode Island, alot of them good, alot of them bad. Just like any other board you are riding, guys that know waves get waves. I have no problem with the SUP, Im gonna get the waves I want regardless about how far outside they sit.

    A kook to me is a guy that throws a hissy fit about every other guy out in the water because they are getting less waves.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by surfingwasteland View Post
    I got an idea, shut up and surf.

    There is a ton of SUPs in Rhode Island, alot of them good, alot of them bad. Just like any other board you are riding, guys that know waves get waves. I have no problem with the SUP, Im gonna get the waves I want regardless about how far outside they sit.

    A kook to me is a guy that throws a hissy fit about every other guy out in the water because they are getting less waves.

    It takes one to know one, kook.

    Truthfully though I don't see the point in calling each other kooks on the forum. You can't possibly interpret that data from the words which someone types on an Internet forum. That is preposterous, and disrespectful.
    Last edited by glassjaw; Aug 7, 2011 at 02:46 PM.

  7. #47
    If someone is acting kookish on any board be respectful and inform them they are endangering themselves and others around them. If they are a decent person, which most of us are regardless of the cold shell we seem to wear, then they will get the point. Even if they act offended at first, when they go home and stew over the day they will remember your words. Especially if you are polite and concerned instead of aggressive or passive aggressive. I know plenty about passive aggressive surfers throwing the mean mug my way. I just let my surfing do the talking nowadays but when you suck it is not a pleasant experience to be mean mugged by some aggro punk.

    I hope everyone gets some waves tonight and tomorrow. If you are staying in VA watch out for the kooks!

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by rodndtube View Post
    Being a SUP rider is hardly a key qualifier for being a waterman. And who gives a rat's ass anyway? It is just a label. Moreover, not even 1% of SUP boarders out in the surf zone would qualify as a waterman under any stretch of imagination. Take their leash away and they are lost puppies. Put them out in 12 foot surf and they will turn whiter than white. Please don't confuse the issue of that vast majority of SUP riders in the surf zone with something called a waterman or a surfer with some semblance of surf etiquette. It is outright lazy greed.
    I agree. The problem is that the majority of SUPs are new to the ocean with the exception of them who also surf. Most of these people don't have the patience or energy to get in shape to actually use their arms to paddle a surfboard. They prefer the easier method of using a paddle. I guess I shouldn't hate too much. These people don't go out on big days and aren't around in the winter.

    It's just annoying when you are out by yourself and they sit on top of you. I guess they hear it from all angles. People tell them to go to less crowded breaks and then the people at the less crowded breaks get annoyed by them. They can't win unless they go to a bay or lake. Get the necessary exercise there and then you can learn to surf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westy View Post
    What exactly is a "waterman" anyway? And why, as a surfer, would I want to be a "good waterman" rather than a good surfer?

    SUP apologists want to afford them some kind of respect as a different waveriding tool, which is fine in theory. Surf mats have their place, Rod's paipos have their place (not hating, just illustrating!), and so on and so forth. The problem with admitting SUPs into the realm of legitimacy is that you're simultaneously making it OK to catch waves without any semblance of understanding of the lineup you're a part of, which seems pretty antithetical to the notion of a "waterman" to me (at least, what I assume it means).

    Like Aquilles, I've got one, and it's a bunch of fun for exercise on flat days, but I'd sooner stop surfing than paddle into a lineup on the thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by rodndtube View Post
    Being a SUP rider is hardly a key qualifier for being a waterman. And who gives a rat's ass anyway? It is just a label. Moreover, not even 1% of SUP boarders out in the surf zone would qualify as a waterman under any stretch of imagination. Take their leash away and they are lost puppies. Put them out in 12 foot surf and they will turn whiter than white. Please don't confuse the issue of that vast majority of SUP riders in the surf zone with something called a waterman or a surfer with some semblance of surf etiquette. It is outright lazy greed.
    I never said that Riding a SUP make or Qualifys someone to be a waterman. A waterman is someone who knows the sea and can use a variety of different waveriding tool. A waterman takes pride in being a good swimmer, diver, fishermen and surfer.

    I am not saying anyone has to embrace the Sup's as a legit aspect of Surfing but execpt the fact that it here and been around alot longer than your shortboard and move on with you lives

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    I'd rather have a few "considerate" SUPers around than a kite boarder - one time a "kiter" near me went 15-20 feet into the air, and landed "board first" about three feet from my head - I asked him if he could control where he landed, and he said "no" - and I let him have it! He could have killed me, or a few other guys that were surfing near me!