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  1. #71
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    The more money they waste on police overtime is less money in budget for pumping sand this is good.

  2. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer42 View Post
    yup...you got me. 20 + years surfing, 10 years as an ocean lifeguard, more well traveled than most, a year-round surfer who can BIKE to the beach...total noob for sure. unlike you, who claims ocnj as your location, but really lives well inland.

    & if that's all you have to say about my post, then i've FINALLY made my point.
    I actually need to change that, since I'll be a VA Beach resident come September 17th, so thanks for the reminder. But on the other note, who goes around calling themselves a waterman? And a seasonal life guard on the jersey shore doesn't really qualify for much. And yes I currently live in Iowa, thanks for blowing my cover bro! And if you are so hardcore, why don't you live your life as a true waterman in a hardcore place where you can do other waterman activities...such as scuba diving, spear fishing, free style diving..ect. I don't believe a lifeguard for 10 seasons and a surfer for 20 years really qualifies as **** compared to others out there. Go to HI and tell them you're a waterman from jersey because you have surfed and been a lifeguard that long and see what they have to say to you.

  3. #73
    bottom line is the surfers and a s s holes punking the cops were wrong. everybody should stop bellyaching about how 'the man' is taking over theyre lives. piss off. that same 'jerkoff' cop would put his life in jeopardy to save yours without even hesitating.bunch of whiners go somewhere not safe where you may have to fend for yourself and youd be screaming for them. jackoffs.

  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by super fish View Post
    I actually need to change that, since I'll be a VA Beach resident come September 17th, so thanks for the reminder. But on the other note, who goes around calling themselves a waterman? And a seasonal life guard on the jersey shore doesn't really qualify for much. And yes I currently live in Iowa, thanks for blowing my cover bro! And if you are so hardcore, why don't you live your life as a true waterman in a hardcore place where you can do other waterman activities...such as scuba diving, spear fishing, free style diving..ect. I don't believe a lifeguard for 10 seasons and a surfer for 20 years really qualifies as **** compared to others out there. Go to HI and tell them you're a waterman from jersey because you have surfed and been a lifeguard that long and see what they have to say to you.
    first, i don't "go around" calling myself a waterman. i used that term to simply illustrate a point about ocean/water skills as compared to others. you're right, compared to guys like mark healey & countless others, i'm nothing. nor do i pretend to be. i wouldn't paddle out in the sorts of conditions he does. i would likely die or put others at risk. but i KNOW that...& if i were dumb enough to paddle out, i would be ready to accept any consequence that befalls me, up to & including my death. but it would be MY choice.
    second, who said anything about guarding on the "jersey shore"? i sure never did...so watch your assumptions.
    third, i do all of those things (i use a hawaiian sling, not a spear gun), minus the scuba diving...i can also sail a boat single-handedly, prone paddleboard (i own a jow bark stock-class 14'), surf any type of equipment from a bodyboard up to a classic longboard w/ skill & style, paddle an outrigger canoe...but i have never SUPed. so yea...i've built up an extensive skill set based around ocean activity. i CHOOSE to live where i do, & if that makes me less hardcore to someone living in iowa, then oh well. i think i'll live.
    fourth, if i did as you suggest, i'd likely be greeted w/ respect b/c, unlike you, those guys are a pretty welcoming group, as long as you don't act like a jackass. but again, i don't go around referring to myself as a waterman. you blew my use of that term way out of proportion. i may, on occasion, say that i attempt to live the life of a waterman, but that's only b/c i do...i try to adhere to the waterman ethos as best i can, while living where i choose to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatoldguy View Post
    In your ten plus years as an ocean lifeguard, have there ever been days when you have been ordered to keep people out of the water because people higher than you in the food chain have deemed it unsafe?
    nope. mostly b/c i worked in places that don't behave that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer42 View Post
    first, i don't "go around" calling myself a waterman. i used that term to simply illustrate a point about ocean/water skills as compared to others. you're right, compared to guys like mark healey & countless others, i'm nothing. nor do i pretend to be. i wouldn't paddle out in the sorts of conditions he does. i would likely die or put others at risk. but i KNOW that...& if i were dumb enough to paddle out, i would be ready to accept any consequence that befalls me, up to & including my death. but it would be MY choice.
    second, who said anything about guarding on the "jersey shore"? i sure never did...so watch your assumptions.
    third, i do all of those things (i use a hawaiian sling, not a spear gun), minus the scuba diving...i can also sail a boat single-handedly, prone paddleboard (i own a jow bark stock-class 14'), surf any type of equipment from a bodyboard up to a classic longboard w/ skill & style, paddle an outrigger canoe...but i have never SUPed. so yea...i've built up an extensive skill set based around ocean activity. i CHOOSE to live where i do, & if that makes me less hardcore to someone living in iowa, then oh well. i think i'll live.
    fourth, if i did as you suggest, i'd likely be greeted w/ respect b/c, unlike you, those guys are a pretty welcoming group, as long as you don't act like a jackass. but again, i don't go around referring to myself as a waterman. you blew my use of that term way out of proportion. i may, on occasion, say that i attempt to live the life of a waterman, but that's only b/c i do...i try to adhere to the waterman ethos as best i can, while living where i choose to.
    I was waiting all day for this reply Thank YOU!

  7. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer42 View Post
    nope. mostly b/c i worked in places that don't behave that way.
    What beaches are those?

  8. #78
    I've been surfing for 20 + years and have been a cop for 5 years. I'm on the fence in this case. The surfer in me is bothered by the fact that other surfers were being told that they weren't allowed to go in the water. The professional in me can clearly see that these cops were merely enforcing the laws put before them that day. So many things could have gone wrong in this situation that it's not worth mentioning each one of them. NOBODY on this site (cause if your on here then i'm assuming you are more than likely a legit surfer with experience) who surfed before/during/after Hurricane Irene can honestly say they weren't overwhelmed by the amount of inexperienced surfers/spongers/swimmers flocking to the ocean! I've never seen so many boards as yellowed by age and in such bad shape as I did this past week. When's the last time you saw a "Blue Hawaii" (BH) surfboard on sale in a surf shop? Come on now. People were apparently pulling surfboards out of storage and wiping away inches of dust just to say to their buddy in the cubicle next to them "I surfed Irene dude". I witnessed MANY close calls where the inexperienced nearly caused severe injury to themselves and others. Add to that that NJ was the go to spot for kooks from CT to NC and the ocean was a freaking circus for several days! These cops in the video respond to each one of those beach first aid calls year-round and have seen countless times that the inexperienced and the ocean are not a good combo. Who knows...maybe there were several first aid calls for injured bathers in the previous days that lead them to this decision. This was Belmar's way of trying to prevent those occurrences that day so that they could use their manpower in a more productive manner by tending to the rest of their community (tax payers) and assisting with power outages, downed wires/trees, flooding and other requests for service. The fact that these cops were being verbally harassed is apalling. Anyone who was involved in that or agrees with them should be ashamed of themselves. It's not only blatant disrespect for authority but blatant disrespect for another human being...period. These cops were just doing their job (I know some people hate that saying but it's true). Hey...I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the laws I'm told to uphold on a daily basis. Do I really care if you don't "Buckle-Up"? No. Do I really care that your car failed inspection? No. BUT...when I'm working that's what my Chief and the NJ Attorney General want me to care about and if I don't then I'll be sure to hear about it come time for my review. These cops may not have agreed with closing the ocean but they had no choice that day. Your damded if you do...damded if you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DelP View Post
    I've been surfing for 20 + years and have been a cop for 5 years. I'm on the fence in this case. The surfer in me is bothered by the fact that other surfers were being told that they weren't allowed to go in the water. The professional in me can clearly see that these cops were merely enforcing the laws put before them that day. So many things could have gone wrong in this situation that it's not worth mentioning each one of them. NOBODY on this site (cause if your on here then i'm assuming you are more than likely a legit surfer with experience) who surfed before/during/after Hurricane Irene can honestly say they weren't overwhelmed by the amount of inexperienced surfers/spongers/swimmers flocking to the ocean! I've never seen so many boards as yellowed by age and in such bad shape as I did this past week. When's the last time you saw a "Blue Hawaii" (BH) surfboard on sale in a surf shop? Come on now. People were apparently pulling surfboards out of storage and wiping away inches of dust just to say to their buddy in the cubicle next to them "I surfed Irene dude". I witnessed MANY close calls where the inexperienced nearly caused severe injury to themselves and others. Add to that that NJ was the go to spot for kooks from CT to NC and the ocean was a freaking circus for several days! These cops in the video respond to each one of those beach first aid calls year-round and have seen countless times that the inexperienced and the ocean are not a good combo. Who knows...maybe there were several first aid calls for injured bathers in the previous days that lead them to this decision. This was Belmar's way of trying to prevent those occurrences that day so that they could use their manpower in a more productive manner by tending to the rest of their community (tax payers) and assisting with power outages, downed wires/trees, flooding and other requests for service. The fact that these cops were being verbally harassed is apalling. Anyone who was involved in that or agrees with them should be ashamed of themselves. It's not only blatant disrespect for authority but blatant disrespect for another human being...period. These cops were just doing their job (I know some people hate that saying but it's true). Hey...I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the laws I'm told to uphold on a daily basis. Do I really care if you don't "Buckle-Up"? No. Do I really care that your car failed inspection? No. BUT...when I'm working that's what my Chief and the NJ Attorney General want me to care about and if I don't then I'll be sure to hear about it come time for my review. These cops may not have agreed with closing the ocean but they had no choice that day. Your damded if you do...damded if you don't.
    I was waiting all day for this reply Thank YOU!

  10. #80
    If there is anyone to blame it is insurance companies. They are the ones who lobby the government to make laws so that they don't have to shell out money to idiots who do idiotic things.