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    Quote Originally Posted by unsalted View Post
    I've usued west system epoxy. It works good and looks nice. Kind of expensive, like 150 a gallon. I've built a kayak, My next project is a board, can't wait. yours looks nice, did you do the design yourself?
    Yeah, it was my first build and I learned a lot through the building process. I'm excited about glassing. I've heard the west system is good but rock hard when it comes to sanding. Any thoughts?

    If you've built a kayak you should be able to make a board pretty easily. Go light with your wood. I used 1/2" poplar in the frame and you can tell when you pick it up. I'm going for lightweight, cheaper materials next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClemsonSurf View Post
    I'm drawn to Solarez because it is UV activated and the waste is minimal. That being said, I can easily be swayed as this is my first real glassing experiment.
    You can glass with minimal waste with epoxy resin. Even the "fast cure" resin research epoxy sets up so predictably and slowly that there is no reason to have to mix up a bunch of extra resin. A three quart RR epoxy kit is $53 and if you plan to glass lightly (its wood so isn't one layer of cloth adequate for both the deck and the bottom?) and truly not waste a bunch of resin then three quarts would be enough.

    Just guessing here for a board that size:

    deck lam 28 oz
    bottom lam 28 oz
    deck hotcoat 18 oz
    bottom hotcoat 18 oz

    a bit less than three quarts. If you use a bit of the Additive F (which i would) then that $5 for 4 oz.
    Last edited by mitchell; Oct 19, 2012 at 02:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClemsonSurf View Post
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    So... I bet you guys never thought you'd see this thread again. Well between a baby that has recently turned one, buying a house and moving across town, I have finally come closer to finishing my "Medium" minisimmons.

    The board is built more or less but I have to figure out this glassing thing. More like I have to decide on what I want to use. I've been searching the forum and found someone who said they liked this guys stuff on youtube and he was using Solarez.

    What are the pros and cons of Solarez?

    I called Greenlight this afternoon to ask about the glassing kits and they said for a hollow wooden board I'd want to use epoxy. I'd basically made up my mind already to use it so we're good on that. Are there epoxy products out there that superior to Solarez in a lot of ways?

    I'm drawn to Solarez because it is UV activated and the waste is minimal. That being said, I can easily be swayed as this is my first real glassing experiment. All my other experimenting was with the fiberglass cloth and resin you can get from Lowes for big ugly repairs on my canoe.

    I'm looking for help from one and all but I've got a couple of you that I'm really hoping chime in.

    THanks!
    UHhhhh.... bump.

    Come on. I need some glassing guidance here too! I appreciate the resin research comment. Still interested in solarez though. Pros, cons or other ideas out there for glassing on wood?

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    UV cure polyester resin will get you better clarity and will allow you to gloss and polish to a high shine. Epoxy won't do that for you. Guys have done epoxy over wood with great results... it might even be the norm... but I've seen some that had a haze, which can really stand out over wood. Poly will be crystal clear. As for gloss and polish, poly gloss resin is the way to go, and after all that effort, you want that baby to shine. Some guys have done poly gloss over epoxy, but with mixed results on durability coming from the inferior bond of poly-to-epoxy.

    I guess what I'm saying is... you can get great results with epoxy. I've seen good ones, and not so good ones. But uv poly is not a mistake if you've already made up your mind. It may even give an inexperienced glasser the best shot at a showroom finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post
    But uv poly is not a mistake if you've already made up your mind. It may even give an inexperienced glasser the best shot at a showroom finish.
    I agree with that...I've got just a bit of experience glassing (maybe 25 boards) but learning a LOT every time out...sometimes the hard way!

    Out of the last eight maybe four have been Resin Research Epoxy and four have been UV cure poly resin. There are all kinds of good reasons to use epoxy, but man when it comes to:

    ease of lamination
    quick cure
    sheet-glass-flat hot coats (dont forget the surfacing agent!)
    NO FISH EYES
    easy sand out to a nice finish
    far less concern about ambient temperature

    UV Poly is easy to love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post
    UV cure polyester resin will get you better clarity and will allow you to gloss and polish to a high shine. Epoxy won't do that for you. Guys have done epoxy over wood with great results... it might even be the norm... but I've seen some that had a haze, which can really stand out over wood. Poly will be crystal clear. As for gloss and polish, poly gloss resin is the way to go, and after all that effort, you want that baby to shine. Some guys have done poly gloss over epoxy, but with mixed results on durability coming from the inferior bond of poly-to-epoxy.

    I guess what I'm saying is... you can get great results with epoxy. I've seen good ones, and not so good ones. But uv poly is not a mistake if you've already made up your mind. It may even give an inexperienced glasser the best shot at a showroom finish.
    Thank you Sir! That's the validation i was looking for.

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    How many hours have you put into this project total?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcyr2 View Post
    How many hours have you put into this project total?
    No telling man. I made my first cut a year ago. But like I said, I e had a baby bought a house and moved during this time. I also worked in my shed, living room and my brothers garage before I moved. It was not efficient to say te least.


    That being said, if you have all your tools, space and know how you should be able to comfortably put one together in a month. That's what I'm planning on for the next build. You could do it in a couple of days to a week. There is a lot of time watching the głue dry.

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    Howd you do your rails? What was the price range for the project?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcyr2 View Post
    Howd you do your rails? What was the price range for the project?
    It all depends on what you want to build with and what tools you have. A skill saw or band saw help a lot. I wouldn't want to do this with a jigsaw. You'll need a table saw if you're gonna rip your own wood for the deck. . I had to buy a lot of clamps and glue. You can go cheap or as expensive as you want on wood. Sapelle and poplar cost me $120 I think. I was advised against gorilla glue but it helped in a lot of uses. Titebond III was good for making the deck.

    Glassing looks like its gonna run about 100-150.

    I built up the rails with 1/4" strips. One by one. This is where you watch all the glue dry.