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  1. #1
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    out of control surf kayaks

    Got some good ones last week and it felt good. Isn't it great when all the factors line up? To get a good swell, wind, tide, good weather and free time during the week with some daylight is a real gift for me this time of year.

    There is however something I need to vent about. I hate that i'm still worked up about it but i am. i even posting a thread about it. something i have never done before.

    so here goes

    I got run over by a guy in a kayak. he caught a wave made a turn, didn't make the section, just lost total control of his vehicle and plowed right into me as i was paddling back out. Now I'm not one to get confrontational, I even paddled away to count to ten, but I just couldn't let that one go. I'm not against any type of surf craft but when one can't control their equipment then they are dangerous and shouldn't use it around others. there was a bunch of other guys on surfboards, long and short, and none of us ran into each other or the guy on the boat. If it wasn't me who got hit I might have been more passive in my argument for him to go elsewhere. As I was the victim, my verbal assault lasted a good 15 minutes was razor sharp and cut to the bone. i was really pissed. what is funny is that I have a friend who got hit once and i remenber how pissed he got and his verbal assault on the guy who did it and how funny i thought it was at the time.

    so I've been surfing for 20+ years ( really!) and haven't seen many of these kayaks in the water around other surfers but almost everytime there was one there was a collision and a confrontation about it.

    Has anyone else had something like this happen? Do you think it's the vehicle or guy driving it? I can't see how you can control a thing like that when it gets hit broadside by a wave. It's too big and bouyant. judging by his " oh no not again look" just before impact this is a recurring incident.

    Could have been worse. I wasn't really hurt as much as shook up and my board didn't ding. All it cost me was the waves I missed during my rant. and all the work I should have done while I made this rant.
    Thanks for reading,

  2. I lived in the Rockaways for 2 years where kooks are in the majority. Lots of guys on tankers and SUPs with no control of their equipment and no regard for anyone's safety. On many occasions I went on 5 minute verbal assaults cussing these folks out if they ever put me in harms way. It typically got them out of the water so that was a positive. In retrospect, it is probably more useful to approach these individuals in a calm manner and explain to them your concerns. When you curse and yell, people typically think you're an a$$hole. If you speak with them, they might actually listen.

    Stay Above the Weather!

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    I got hit one time by a kayaker at Ditch... I was paddling out and he was riding a wave... fortunately no injuries, no dings and a great session followed because I moved on and surfed without going off on the dude. I'm not saying you did anything wrong, I felt the exact same day about SUP'ers one particularly pumping day that included 4 SUP'ers who acted like they owned the lineup... that episode stayed with me for weeks. To be honest, it hurt my session, because I was focusing on getting "my" waves when the offending SUP'ers were paddling around me stealing waves... I agree with the dude above... as tough as it is, people respond in a more positive way to conversation than they do to a rant.
    ~Utah

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    You know I did feel like an A hole. but he was an A hole and i was just so friggin mad. but he wasn't a kid and he could have hit one of the kids out there. not to mention after i told him to stay away from me and i moved to the other side of the peak but he just had to follow me and explain himself. his explanation was pointing to that it was partly my fault. it was the closet i've come to starting a fight in a long time. i think that's what got to me the most....how this out of control kook mad me almost lose control you know?

  5. #5
    I remember over the summer at assateague this one dude on a surf kayak ran over a crowd of litte kids. He got dumped by the wave, then one of the kids dad ran out into the water and dragged him to the beach. Didnt kick his ass, but yelled at him and told him if he goes back out again he was going to call the police for reckless endangerment.

  6. #6
    I am glad this came up... I was on the receiving end of the abuse the other day when i was out...I have been surfing for 8 years or so and have never dropped in on someone in a way that would seriously inhibit their line/wave (besides a couple times when I first started). Anyways, first wave of the day...maybe I was a little too amped or something but I dropped in a guy and didn't see him at all. I pulled up to get off the wave as fast as I could and he proceeded to blow by me and shove my board. Besides him pushing my board we did not touch at all. I said sorry thinking that it would be enough. But this a-hole just wouldn't stop berating me like i was a f'in three year old. I finally gave him the big F U and paddled off.

    I guess my point is maybe you should give people a chance, if it happens over and over then sure go for it, let the expletives fly, otherwise just let it go. That sh*t is going to happen whether you flip out or not.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Peajay4060 View Post
    Got some good ones last week and it felt good. Isn't it great when all the factors line up? To get a good swell, wind, tide, good weather and free time during the week with some daylight is a real gift for me this time of year.

    There is however something I need to vent about. I hate that i'm still worked up about it but i am. i even posting a thread about it. something i have never done before.

    so here goes

    I got run over by a guy in a kayak. he caught a wave made a turn, didn't make the section, just lost total control of his vehicle and plowed right into me as i was paddling back out. Now I'm not one to get confrontational, I even paddled away to count to ten, but I just couldn't let that one go. I'm not against any type of surf craft but when one can't control their equipment then they are dangerous and shouldn't use it around others. there was a bunch of other guys on surfboards, long and short, and none of us ran into each other or the guy on the boat. If it wasn't me who got hit I might have been more passive in my argument for him to go elsewhere. As I was the victim, my verbal assault lasted a good 15 minutes was razor sharp and cut to the bone. i was really pissed. what is funny is that I have a friend who got hit once and i remenber how pissed he got and his verbal assault on the guy who did it and how funny i thought it was at the time.

    so I've been surfing for 20+ years ( really!) and haven't seen many of these kayaks in the water around other surfers but almost everytime there was one there was a collision and a confrontation about it.

    Has anyone else had something like this happen? Do you think it's the vehicle or guy driving it? I can't see how you can control a thing like that when it gets hit broadside by a wave. It's too big and bouyant. judging by his " oh no not again look" just before impact this is a recurring incident.

    Could have been worse. I wasn't really hurt as much as shook up and my board didn't ding. All it cost me was the waves I missed during my rant. and all the work I should have done while I made this rant.
    Thanks for reading,
    Just curious, but how did he react when you went off on him? Apologetic at all? Every time that **** happens to me, the dude just seems confused.

  8. #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by somuchsurf View Post
    I am glad this came up... I was on the receiving end of the abuse the other day when i was out...I have been surfing for 8 years or so and have never dropped in on someone in a way that would seriously inhibit their line/wave (besides a couple times when I first started). Anyways, first wave of the day...maybe I was a little too amped or something but I dropped in a guy and didn't see him at all. I pulled up to get off the wave as fast as I could and he proceeded to blow by me and shove my board. Besides him pushing my board we did not touch at all. I said sorry thinking that it would be enough. But this a-hole just wouldn't stop berating me like i was a f'in three year old. I finally gave him the big F U and paddled off.

    I guess my point is maybe you should give people a chance, if it happens over and over then sure go for it, let the expletives fly, otherwise just let it go. That sh*t is going to happen whether you flip out or not.


    I understand you say you didn't see the guy and sh#t happens. But think about it. Do you pull out in front of oncoming traffic without looking to see what's headed your way or walk in front of someone jogging down the road, apologize, and expect no confrontation come from it? I know a lot of people do and that's why accidents happen.

    That guy could have been having a really bad day, fired from his job, wife cheated on him etc. When you drop in on someone (or run someone over with a kayak/SUP) you have to take all factors into consideration and weigh your options. It might work, you might get yelled at, or you might take a beating for it. I've witnessed all three.

    The surf industry/media has ruined our sport and lineups (sloppy beach-breaks to world class point breaks) are packed with people who want to partake in the fun. Lineups keep getting more crowded with your average joe who has little regard for anyone but himself and is willing to put others at risk because it just doesn't matter to him. I think that's what most people get irate about. Not at someone who simply makes a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somuchsurf View Post
    I am glad this came up... I was on the receiving end of the abuse the other day when i was out...I have been surfing for 8 years or so and have never dropped in on someone in a way that would seriously inhibit their line/wave (besides a couple times when I first started). Anyways, first wave of the day...maybe I was a little too amped or something but I dropped in a guy and didn't see him at all. I pulled up to get off the wave as fast as I could and he proceeded to blow by me and shove my board. Besides him pushing my board we did not touch at all. I said sorry thinking that it would be enough. But this a-hole just wouldn't stop berating me like i was a f'in three year old. I finally gave him the big F U and paddled off.

    I guess my point is maybe you should give people a chance, if it happens over and over then sure go for it, let the expletives fly, otherwise just let it go. That sh*t is going to happen whether you flip out or not.
    Wow, screw that man. Mistakes happen, you noticed that you dropped in and pulled off the wave, that dude needs to chill the F out.

    I would of called him onto the beach if he shoved my board as I was getting off the wave. Ugh I am getting angry thinking about it.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Shift View Post
    Wow, screw that man. Mistakes happen, you noticed that you dropped in and pulled off the wave, that dude needs to chill the F out.

    I would of called him onto the beach if he shoved my board as I was getting off the wave. Ugh I am getting angry thinking about it.
    Yea man, I have never gotten in a fight in my life but if the waves weren't as good or I had a slightly shorter fuse it would have been a whole different story