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    we need a true fiscal conservative to reverse the never ending spending spree. This "true fiscal conservative" will go down as the worst president in history since the media will absolutely try to destroy the "true fiscal conservative". These are hard cuts to make...hard choices to make...very unpopular with 50 percent of the country.

    What's the alternative? Continue to tax business and earners to prop up ever expanding social services and civil servants AND the businesses and earners will continue to leave the country for greener pastures. this quasi-socialism doesn't work because business are still free to leave and will and are!! It's either "real socialism", govt control of industry (in order to keep them here) or "real capitalism" meaning govt creates a climate to keep business here to employ the masses.

    The industry i work in as an environmental consultant, i work at large chemical, pharmaceutical, manufacturing plants in the NY metro area. What do we do you ask? We put together closure inspection/survey packages as these plants close up shop and move out. (it keeps me busy for 6 months to a year per job, but those 10, 20, 100 full time jobs are gone!) Why do they move? Alot of factors...one major one is simple. Cost of doing business, primarily payroll and pensions. The unions have the most ridiculous strangle hold on industry. Some of the union rules would make you laugh (and cry)..they are so ridiculous...and don't foster a climate for business to grow.

    Think about it....either socialize us (and we become slaves to govt...but secure) or let us have the freedom to succeed and fail. Live and die....life is tough. Life is fragile.

    Consider Ben Franklin's quote: "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"

  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Koki Barrels View Post
    Look at factual data and prove this, 'cause this is just not the case.
    i don't know by day, but look at the us debt clock. if you look at this day in 2000 before bush took over, and then look at this day in 2008 before obama took over, and look at today you will see the debt has went up $5 trillion since obama took over, and bush made it go up by a few trillion in 8 years, but pretty sure obama outdid him in less than 4.

  3. #13
    i was going to write my christmas list but then realized the thread is political debate not dear santa..

  4. #14
    I'm REALLY hoping the next couple of weeks is full of surf and NOT full of political debates with family members. If anybody tries to talk politics I'm walking out the door, getting in my car, and driving straight to the beach!

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    Anyone know if Con-Edison is unionized? Worst utility company I've ever dealt with as a consultant, the pace puts DMV to shame.

  6. #16

    Woah

    Quote Originally Posted by LOSTsoul View Post
    we need a true fiscal conservative to reverse the never ending spending spree. This "true fiscal conservative" will go down as the worst president in history since the media will absolutely try to destroy the "true fiscal conservative". These are hard cuts to make...hard choices to make...very unpopular with 50 percent of the country.

    What's the alternative? Continue to tax business and earners to prop up ever expanding social services and civil servants AND the businesses and earners will continue to leave the country for greener pastures. this quasi-socialism doesn't work because business are still free to leave and will and are!! It's either "real socialism", govt control of industry (in order to keep them here) or "real capitalism" meaning govt creates a climate to keep business here to employ the masses.

    The industry i work in as an environmental consultant, i work at large chemical, pharmaceutical, manufacturing plants in the NY metro area. What do we do you ask? We put together closure inspection/survey packages as these plants close up shop and move out. (it keeps me busy for 6 months to a year per job, but those 10, 20, 100 full time jobs are gone!) Why do they move? Alot of factors...one major one is simple. Cost of doing business, primarily payroll and pensions. The unions have the most ridiculous strangle hold on industry. Some of the union rules would make you laugh (and cry)..they are so ridiculous...and don't foster a climate for business to grow.

    Think about it....either socialize us (and we become slaves to govt...but secure) or let us have the freedom to succeed and fail. Live and die....life is tough. Life is fragile.

    Consider Ben Franklin's quote: "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
    Lostsoul.... I like you. I was about to write almost exactly what you just wrote, but of course your rant has wonderful work experience in the private sector and im just a college shmoe....and no lie had that quote from Benny Franklin in the back of my mind whilst reading this thread. Also presidential nominee speaking, it's ashame I think I like mitt, what we really need is a nominee all republicans, and citizens, are stoked about. My question is, when and who is going to be the next American hero? Reagan was the last, some may then say fdr...then is it Lincoln? We need one quick to unite our ever socially and politically split nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallysurfr View Post
    If Bush was in office and Iran had our drone he would have bombed them back to the stoneage. ..
    Maybe but i doubt it. More likely he'd do what he did in the past:

    Go to NATO and the UN to establish a coalition of 20-30 countries with us paying 95% of the cost and supplying 75% of the troops.

    Bomb for a few days then go and and attempt to rally the people around a new "free" regime.

    Spend 10 years and hundreds of billions of dollars "nation building".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Koki Barrels View Post
    Look at factual data and prove this, 'cause this is just not the case.
    http://startthinkingright.wordpress....ponsible-ever/

    Here it is.

    This thread has been completely hijacked. I'm hoping for two tickets to PR for Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallysurfr View Post
    This thread has been completely hijacked. I'm hoping for two tickets to PR for Christmas.
    Truth. Perhaps there's a Fiscal Conservatives Anonymous forum somewhere for this sort of conversation?

    I'm hoping for 10 days in Costa Rica in early April with buddies. C'mon, Santa!

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    dear santa - i'll just take an upgrade on that christmas morning swell. thanks