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    Dumster Diver or Neckbeard ***the big debate***

    Hi,

    I currently have a 5'6'' dumpster diver and love it, however it isn't as good as its been hyped up to be in crummy knee-high to waist high surf. Unfortionately this is mostly what we get up in newengland. I've been eyeing the neck beard closely mostly because its wide up front, a bit thicker (i beleve) and my favorite; its a quad. the DD is great in chest high + but I'm interested in what you guys think.

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    I have both and I agree with what your saying... The dd is not the best groveler, the neck beard is much more versatile, and having the quad option is pretty cool. My only regret is I didn't get the neckbeard a little shorter (got a 5'11 and I should have probably gotten a 5'8), but hell, that just means it floats even better when the waves are cabbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgrizzard View Post
    I have both and I agree with what your saying... The dd is not the best groveler, the neck beard is much more versatile, and having the quad option is pretty cool. My only regret is I didn't get the neckbeard a little shorter (got a 5'11 and I should have probably gotten a 5'8), but hell, that just means it floats even better when the waves are cabbage.
    Where do you surf and what's your height/weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mOtion732 View Post
    Where do you surf and what's your height/weight?
    I surf mainly in VB, but I always take one or both of those boards with me to obx (regardless of how good or bad its suppose to be). I'm 6' and around 155-160

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    i love my biscuit and ride it from knee high to head high with no problems. easy speed, floats like a long board and still turns like a shortboard.

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    you should try the MYSTO or the FU it will blow the both of those boards out of the water 1-3 ft surf
    http://westsurfboards.com/Boards-mysto.html or
    http://westsurfboards.com/antifish.html

    http://http://westsurfboards.com/Boards-mysto.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by West Surfboards View Post
    you should try the MYSTO or the FU it will blow the both of those boards out of the water 1-3 ft surf
    http://westsurfboards.com/Boards-mysto.html or
    http://westsurfboards.com/antifish.html

    http://http://westsurfboards.com/Boards-mysto.html
    that board just looks awful for him for the wave hes on. It may be a good groveler but here you can clearly see the lack of drive, the too pinched in back rail which led to him almost catching rail for the bottom turn into the barrel, it looks mighty slow and seems too small for him (you can almost see him sinking it), anyone that is average could pull into that awesome looking wave on some sort of thruster. and why would you show a video of a board for '1-3'ft waves where a dude is getting barreled at gas chambers on a 3ft HAWAIIAN scale wave? Woah, that seemed harsh, i mean in in the least harsh way, if thats possible.

    Back to the topic at hand:
    I have a 5'6 dumpster diver, I like it a lot, I don't love it. It catches waves effortlessly, It's not bad even when theres some size (biggest I rode it has probably been shoulder high then I usually move to my standard shortboard), It seems a little slow to get moving, but once I get it moving I fly (I am no dane reynolds obviously since i struggle to get speed off the takeoff). It holds its line surprisingly well, especially I've noticed on a backside bottom turn (I can do much more quicker and vertical backside bottom turns on it than on my performance board), and i have found much more success on it releasing fins and getting a air revo motion down (have yet to land one, yet). I do wish I got a 5'5 cuz theres lost of hidden volume that you don't notice when your holding it.

    I wouldn't even consider to get a neck beard - seems like a marketing ploy by Channel islands to see how many people will buy what ever dane is riding. I got the DD because I really liked the shape. the neck beard from what little experiences I've had holding it is a bit thinner (less volume) throughout, straighter rails, and of course that uber-wide abrupt cut off tail. The tail will make you have less drawn out turns and seems harder to bottom turn (thats what I personally think).

    For me, I have to hold a board, and I usually get a vision in my head what I think It will ride like, and thats how I know if it will be special or if ill like it.

    I'd suggest for you, since I'm assuming you dig CI Surfboards, the motorboat for sure. Its kinda perfect for what you described and it has some high performance elements for sure like sharper turns and what not. It will cruise as well and fly through the dead spots of a wave us east coasters see on pretty much every wave. I'm typing so much because I'm studying for finals and trying to find anything to get my mind off of it. Aloha.

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    "that board just looks awful for him for the wave hes on. It may be a good groveler but here you can clearly see the lack of drive, the too pinched in back rail which led to him almost catching rail for the bottom turn into the barrel, it looks mighty slow and seems too small for him (you can almost see him sinking it), anyone that is average could pull into that awesome looking wave on some sort of thruster. and why would you show a video of a board for '1-3'ft waves where a dude is getting barreled at gas chambers on a 3ft HAWAIIAN scale wave? Woah, that seemed harsh, i mean in in the least harsh way, if thats possible"

    Wow " GNARACTUALLY" i did not know that you are on the TOUR with your speed surfing and Air REVERSEs. i am just an AVERAGE KOOK, but the board works insane in 1-2 ft surf, as well in a 3 ft wave. I also shape the RANDAZZO INDUSTRIES surfboards www.randazzoindustries.com , Chop Suey Wii & Pork Frog you shoud check them out out 7th Street, or KONA in NJ. but deal is none of the these boards are made for small surf , they are made for in the pocket surfing,

    here is Chris Kelly & Sean Santiago on their Randazzo's Chris is on Chop Suey Wii & Sean is on Pork Frog
    http://vimeo.com/29105533

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    Dumpster Diver firsthand experience

    I am going to add to the confusion by saying that the DD is currently my favorite east coast board! Here's are a couple of items:

    1. The DD is not really a groveler. It is a blast in waist high and I have ridden it up to 1 ft overhead and like it in both. I do not like it in knee-high, but then there aren't many boards that make knee high very fun.

    2) However, the DD will catch ANY WAVE you paddle for. I like that it has good float without having the horrendously bulky rails that you find on many CI models.

    3) As a former competitive surfer, I think the DD is geared more towards vertical surfing than either the Neck Beard (I agree with the marketing gimmick statement) or the motorboat. If you're an advanced surfer that likes to go top-to-bottom, the DD is your call. If you're intermediate or lower, then the others might be more forgiving.

    4) Finally, FINS!!! I was riding my DD with the standard Merrick template fins and decided to invest in something radically different. I bought the Nexus-H3 (FCS) and HOLY *crap* did it enhance the drive of the board. And don't think you have to drop $100 on fins. Just pull out your power sander and sand the rake (evenly!) off of them until they are giving you the snappiness you're looking for.

    If you decide to pick up a DD, go a solid 2 in shorter than your normal board.

    Cheers!
    The PhiloSurfer

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    Westsurfboards - i apologize, that post was super late night and i've been studying for hours. I'm sure the board is killer, and I've seen guys on the Randazzo boards.

    I also agree with what PhiloSurfer said, I am roughly 5'8.5, around 155 (college+beer=stockier me). My standard shortboard is 5'10 x 18 x 2 and my DD is 5'6. could have gone 5'5.