I invite you to attempt to defend your claim that someone drinking BEER does not present the potential to endanger the health of another individual. Please define and expound upon what a "healthy" public place is and the government's role in regulating it. Define "suffer." And, finally, please explain this completely nebulous statement by offering other examples to support your argument and define proper depth and breath of claimed responsibility in the means through which it is applied and enforced (I fixed your grammar too): "Any action that someone takes that directly *affects the health and well being of another individual without their consent should not be allowed."
-This should be entertaining-[/QUOTE]
One note on this point
I have asthma - secondhand smoke triggers my asthma and therefore directly inhibits my ability to breathe
Which is a more basic right in your mind - the ability to smoke where desired or the ability to breathe ?
I don't care if someone else damages themselves but I really do like to be able to breathe[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry about your condition. However, should we also ban diesel vehicles, motor boats, restaurants with open grills, people who over-use perfume or cologne (actually, that could be a ban I can get behind) and pollenating plants because they are known to trigger asthma attacks? Of course it's one thing to ban certain things in indoor environments (I love being able to come home from the bar without smelling like an ashtray). But outside, really?
Erock, as I guessed you did not let my comments simmer long enough. You contradicted your own argument in your last post: "Of course it's one thing to ban certain things in indoor environments" ---- Enlighten us on why this is different that banning smoking outside. Do you think that if we all sit outside at a restaurant the "wind" is going to blow all the smoke away and everyone will be happy? You are a Republican aren't you?
Ban frisbee, and football throwing because someone might get hurt
Ban drinking because someone might act up
Ban surfing because someone might drown
Ban everything and let the government decide what is best for all of us
Rediculous? That is the essence of what I'm hearing from some of you on this post. The government is not always your friend and they do not always know what is best for all of us. If you don't like the way someone is behaving or treating you or your beach, then speak up and tell that person/people. We will all be collectively more happy if we regulate ourselves. Think about it. Think about how many arbitrary and capricious rules that government imposes on us that decrease the quality of our lives. If you're an old f*cker like me, you remember how much fun things were when there were fewer rules and you remember the older f*ckers slapping us in to our places when we acted like asses. We don't need the government to make rules to tell us what is best for all of us.
Last edited by Kahuna Kai; Mar 8, 2012 at 02:01 AM.
Kahuna Kai is right. The government is rarely if ever your friend. The bigger the government gets, the more people it supposedly helps, the more people there will be that can't think for themselves. I wan't nothing but common defense and a national currency from the government. I want no special treatment and want to be left alone. I would rather be poor and free than look to the government to take care of me. Stop being so willing to support policies that infringe on the freedom of others, eventually someone will find something about you, your habits, your children that they don't like and will try to pass a law to stop it. When I was a kid I lived in a lower middle class neighborhood. I raised pigeons, ducks, chickens and even had 2 goats. I know my neighbors must have had an issue with them but they never complained. Why do you think they never complained? Because they were honest people who knew that they probably had habits we didn't like so they tolerated us the same way we tolerated them. If you learn tolerance eventually the things that bother you about people just fade away and you get over it.
I'm with zippy and kahuna 100%, and I don't smoke. I look at the the size and role of gov intervention in individual and business along with the associated costs (that who pays for...) and it makes me sick.