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  1. #11
    Get the Freddy Rubble if you insist on a CI, way better all around board then the overhyped Dane models......and all of the CI pros generally ride the Rubble if that's your motive.

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    dd, no doubt.

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    The DD is what you're looking for. DD is actually not a Groveler. You can make due with it in sub-waist high wave, but it REALLY excels on waves with a bit more push and/or vertical faces. The Neck Beard is a true groveler and won't feel very good on steep drops or big stuff.

    I own 12 boards currently and the DD is my go-to board for all around conditions. I haven't heard anyone mention fins, but this is a crucial piece. I've never been a big proponent of making surfing more expensive, but I went out on a limb and bought some of the FCS H3 Nexus Large fins and they have been an AMAZING combination for me on this board. NOTE: I am a 6'4" 200lb advanced surfer, my DD is 6'2". I wouldn't want it any shorter or longer. You'll definitely want to think long and hard about the size volume in relation to your physique and ability level.

    Regardless, if your choice is between the two for your only board, I think the DD is waaaay more versatile. Good luck!

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    He saying get the DD for best all around board. I think here in WIlmington, NC Assie Island have White Diamonds. Look into Lost sub-scorcher also. Sweetwater Surf Shop has plenty on the Sharp Eye Discos, love it!

  5. #15
    anyone here have a channel island flyer and can compare that to the two? I've been looking into the same two boards, and currently have been using a flyer for chest + days. Would you change your opinion on the DD if you had a flyer in the quiver for the bigger stuff? (bigger meaning never really over hh / a foot or two overhead)
    Last edited by forman; Aug 14, 2012 at 07:34 PM.

  6. #16
    Dude, I'm in the exact same boat as you! I am nearly 5'9 and 140lbs and I currenlty ride a 6'1 flyer. I know I can go much shorter though. The waves we get at nc are usually 1-3 ft, sometimes head high +. I was gonna sell my flyer and get a different board that is better for small waves and other conditions. The board I get will be my only board for a little while, so I just wanna make a good decision.

    What board do you guys think I should go with if I could only have one? I'm open to the sub scorcher. But I'm mainly looking at the Neck Beard and Dumpster Diver.

    Lastly what size do you guys think I should get? I was looking at a 5'6?

    Thanks

  7. #17
    Great question! I've owned three Flyers over the years (all 6'4", 2 PU and one tuflite) and really enjoyed them. I've just found that the DD suits my current surfing much better. It feels much more of a top-to-bottom board, pivoting tighter and more vertically than the Flyer. My biggest reservation about the Flyer has been that it always feels like turns are a bit flat rather than vertical. I'm thinking that this has to do with the relatively straight foil (as compared to board like the DD or Roberts Diamond series). I've also got a Roberts "The Lip" in my arsenal right now and find that it rides very much like the DD. Doesn't really like the small stuff, but is crankingly fun in chest high+.

    So... even though the Flyer planes over flat sections much better than the DD, for me, hands down, I'd choose the DD if I could only have one shortboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillyM View Post
    Dude, I'm in the exact same boat as you! I am nearly 5'9 and 140lbs and I currenlty ride a 6'1 flyer. I know I can go much shorter though. The waves we get at nc are usually 1-3 ft, sometimes head high +. I was gonna sell my flyer and get a different board that is better for small waves and other conditions. The board I get will be my only board for a little while, so I just wanna make a good decision.

    What board do you guys think I should go with if I could only have one? I'm open to the sub scorcher. But I'm mainly looking at the Neck Beard and Dumpster Diver.

    Lastly what size do you guys think I should get? I was looking at a 5'6?

    Thanks
    ok the flyer and the dumpster diver are very similar boards. if you really want to go through the trouble of selling the flyer (and get maybe half the price of a new CI back) i would look for a different type of board. the flyer and dumpster diver were made for similar if not the exact same conditions, so if you're not liking the flyer as an all around board you're not going to like the dumpster diver either unless you're a very advanced surfer that can feel every little detail in his board. i do however understand the itch to change it up every once in a while so i'm going suggest an alternative to think about.

    normally where you are, bigger conditions mean heavy beach break barrels that require a board that can make steep drops, get down the line fast, and hold in the wave without sliding out. there are several types of boards that can do all of that, yet still work fine in smaller waves. in my opinion, the best board for the situation you're in would be a relatively short, thick round tail board with little to moderate rocker. a little width would be good too especially for smaller conditions, and it'll give you some more paddle power.

    i wouldn't necessarily recommend a channel islands since the funds are coming from a used board sale, but if you really want another one they do have a few models like that. they include the motorboat too, the gravy, and the wizard sleeve (plus a few others i'm not familiar with). all of those boards have the volume needed to grovel as well as the ability to hold in larger waves.

    i know i say this way too much but you're best bet would be to just go to a local shaper. it'll be cheaper than a CI, and he'll be able to work out the dimensions with you. other than that, here are a few other boards to look at:
    -haydenshapes hypto crypto, shred sled, shred sled grom, and the psychedelic germ
    -solid surfboards disfish, cisco kid round tail, and the vandal
    -dan taylor dmt or mini me
    -lost mini driver, blunt, or dbl-blunt
    -js prodigy and kingpin

    there are a bunch more out there, but those are just some that i can think of right now. definitely check out the haydenshapes boards they're probably going to be the most versatile and they just started taking US custom orders for the same price as a stock CI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ND081 View Post
    definitely check out the haydenshapes boards they're probably going to be the most versatile and they just started taking US custom orders for the same price as a stock CI.
    just a quick fyi: the haydens at the shop i work in are approx. $75-$100 MORE than the CIs. but they're future flex construction, not poly.


    the dd, to me, seems to be a stubby version of the flyer, so yes...they are very similar boards. i personally think that the dd is the better board, but everyone is going to have their own opinion on the matter. i esp. like how the dd doesn't incorporate the bump in the hip the way the flyer does.
    as for figuring out sizing, go here: http://cisurfboards.com/suggested_boards.php & follow the instructions. it's pretty spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhiloSurfer View Post
    The DD is what you're looking for. DD is actually not a Groveler. You can make due with it in sub-waist high wave, but it REALLY excels on waves with a bit more push and/or vertical faces. The Neck Beard is a true groveler and won't feel very good on steep drops or big stuff.

    I own 12 boards currently and the DD is my go-to board for all around conditions. I haven't heard anyone mention fins, but this is a crucial piece. I've never been a big proponent of making surfing more expensive, but I went out on a limb and bought some of the FCS H3 Nexus Large fins and they have been an AMAZING combination for me on this board. NOTE: I am a 6'4" 200lb advanced surfer, my DD is 6'2". I wouldn't want it any shorter or longer. You'll definitely want to think long and hard about the size volume in relation to your physique and ability level.

    Regardless, if your choice is between the two for your only board, I think the DD is waaaay more versatile. Good luck!
    Hey PhiloSurfer got a question about fins set ups. On my Disco, I have the FCS k2.1 fins. I'm 5'10 170 and seems I'm right near the M and L size fins for my weight. In bigger surf I was thinking of going with a larger fin and looking at the FCS H3 Nexus L. The FCS chart has a very low Hold rating for the K2.1 and really good for the H3. What do you think being an andvanced surfer, surfing steeper waves here in NC.