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    Popouts?

    aright... so we're always hearing how bad popouts are.. is this board a popout etc....

    I know popouts are made in china in a factory of non surfers and there's definitely a disadvantage over hand shaped boards... your not supporting a local shaper by buying a popout, the board was likely not inspected properly before leaving the factory etc.... but as far as the way the board rides, how bad could a popout really be? Is it just that they ding easier since they're not made by hand? I mean whoever designed the board (for most brands- Australia, canyon etc..) the one that created the design originally must have known what he was doing... I'm mostly referring to longboards

    lets hear some good points on this

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    I have 3 longboards, 2 hand shaped polys, and 1 epoxy popout. The handshapes are 1. Stewart Hydro Hull 9-0 2. Ricky Carrol 9-1. The popout is a 10-2 by Southpoint, I bought it about 10 years ago.

    I enjoy all of these boards quite a bit, but my favorite is the popout. The board is durable as they come, never had so much as a ding repair or heal dent, does not yellow in the sun, and has a really nice feel to it. As far as how it rides, I am not sure I can say I prefer the feel of the popout or the polys.

    Having more or less no preference as far as how the different boards ride, I am most likely inclined to go with a popout for my next longboard based on the quality and toughness a popout provides. Logs are expensive and easy to ding in transport, and in my opinion, logs should last a long long time, so the toughness factor wins out.

    For short boards, I go local custom poly boards every time. I have yet to try a pop out short board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahuna Kai View Post
    in my opinion, logs should last a long long time, so the toughness factor wins out.
    i agree w/ you that logs should last a long time...but i'm also looking for a particular "feel" when riding my log, so a popout isn't going to work for me. i like my logs heavy, so 8 or 10oz cloth or volan is the call for me. w/ that kind of mass behind it, they glide for days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer42 View Post
    i agree w/ you that logs should last a long time...but i'm also looking for a particular "feel" when riding my log, so a popout isn't going to work for me. i like my logs heavy, so 8 or 10oz cloth or volan is the call for me. w/ that kind of mass behind it, they glide for days.
    I borrowed a heavily glassed poly like that a few years ago and liked it very much. Definitely would not be opposed. Regardless of preference, I think it is great to support your local craftsman, and great to have choices.

    Love the comments on this thread in either case!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahuna Kai View Post
    I have 3 longboards, 2 hand shaped polys, and 1 epoxy popout. The handshapes are 1. Stewart Hydro Hull 9-0 2. Ricky Carrol 9-1. The popout is a 10-2 by Southpoint, I bought it about 10 years ago.

    I enjoy all of these boards quite a bit, but my favorite is the popout. The board is durable as they come, never had so much as a ding repair or heal dent, does not yellow in the sun, and has a really nice feel to it. As far as how it rides, I am not sure I can say I prefer the feel of the popout or the polys.

    Having more or less no preference as far as how the different boards ride, I am most likely inclined to go with a popout for my next longboard based on the quality and toughness a popout provides. Logs are expensive and easy to ding in transport, and in my opinion, logs should last a long long time, so the toughness factor wins out.

    For short boards, I go local custom poly boards every time. I have yet to try a pop out short board.
    the epoxy construction of the popout is probably why it's so durable. have you noticed any stiffness to it compared to the polys? epoxy is stronger and stiffer than poly

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    Quote Originally Posted by ND081 View Post
    the epoxy construction of the popout is probably why it's so durable. have you noticed any stiffness to it compared to the polys? epoxy is stronger and stiffer than poly
    You know man, my epoxy has great flex in my opinion, I can feel some serious spring when I make deep turns, but it feels right. I weigh 255, so maybe the stiffness in the board is good for my size. My poly boards when I ride them in heavier surf feel like they are going to break when I perform really deep turns, but maybe that is just because I am more accustomed to the stiffer board, or maybe because they are relatively thinly glassed compared to the board the commenter above mentioned.

    Short answer, yes the popout is stiffer than the polys I own.

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    A few years back I said I'd never buy a Tuflite. Then I bought a used Stretch F4 and that changed my mind completely. It's easily the best shortboard I've ever had for small to medium sized surf. The board floats better than a regular board which allows me to ride it smaller than my standard shortboard. Two of my friends rode it and decided to buy one brand new soon after.

    I tried going with a local shaper and I got decent boards from him, but they seem to just get beat up to fast do to glassing issues. Don't know what I'll get next. Maybe a local made longboard.

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    a few things:

    1. all "popouts" are not created equally. firewires, nsps, & surftechs are all technically popouts. while i'm personally unimpressed w/ how these all ride, there are obvious differences in the purpose & quality of the aforementioned labels.
    2. the canyons, surfboards australia, etc...that you see in shops now are NOT popouts...they are traditionally contructed poly boards manufactured overseas on the cheap by non-surfer labor. how this usually happens is that when the company closes or goes out of business, someone buys up the rights to the label & ships off to china to make the boards again. one of the worst offenses, IMO, since they are capitalizing on the former prestige of the label while manufacturing a cheap, ****ty product for their own profit. at least the brands that work w/ gsi put that label on their china-produced boards, so you are aware of what you're getting. these others don't.
    3. back to popouts. when you scan a design & then make it in a mold, a la surftech, you lose much of the subtlety of the design...concaves mellow out or disappear altogether, rails become soft & lose their edge, the board itself as a whole does not flex the same, etc...all this translates to a board that doesn't work as well as the original, but has the added "benefit" of being harder to ding & not breaking as easily. as i said, i personally don't like the way these boards ride. surftechs get a "chatter" going in any kind of chop & don't provide the "pop" or flex through turns that i like from my polys, above & beyond the loss of performance due to the changes to the bottom & rail contours.

    there are, however, alternatives to all this...coil industries, for example, makes boards in a construction that is similar to firewire, but light years more advanced & arguably better. futureflex, hydroflex, & keahana, are all other examples of companies who developed a production technique & contracted out to many different shapers to produce more advanced, high performance, & more durable, surfboards domestically.
    Last edited by njsurfer42; Aug 14, 2012 at 04:56 PM.

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    njsurfer42,

    I'm just curious as to why Coil boards are "light years more advanced & arguably better" than firewire. I have a firewire spitfire and love it but I am currently looking at adding a foil to the quiver as a more traditional shortboard when the surf is actually good.

    thanks,
    Dean

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2MARG8 View Post
    njsurfer42,

    I'm just curious as to why Coil boards are "light years more advanced & arguably better" than firewire. I have a firewire spitfire and love it but I am currently looking at adding a foil to the quiver as a more traditional shortboard when the surf is actually good.

    thanks,
    Dean
    Firewires are mass-produced in factories and have very little involvement from actual humans in their build process. Their skins resemble NSP construction as opposed to glass laminate. The foam they use is cheap as you would expect from a high-production operation. I had a Dominator with rapid-fire and liked it alright but it still just felt too stiff to me. Still a nice board after I sold it to a buddy a couple years back... right when I started getting into Coil boards.

    For Coil, they are based on the Space Coast and their boards are a product of that. Their area probably has more materials scientists per square mile than any other place in the nation, so they are in the perfect place to develop the tech they have. The matrices of glass they use are completely unique to them as far as I know--this includes the matrix on the rails and the glass on the rest of the board, plus they use very high quality foam. They are a small shop and do mostly custom orders, so naturally the boards they produce will be better suited to an individual rider and not a generalized one size fits all shape. Plus the foils they use are pretty unique and very effective. I have seen plenty of Firewires break or delaminate, seen one Coil delaminate but never seen one break.