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    [QUOTE=zaGaffer;141421]Wait, I see the light! Bill Gates and Monsanto are seeding the air with Genetically Modified Organisms!!! I mean that’s what you’re saying right? That was the link in your argument. That because the FDA and the USDA don’t label foods that contain GMOs as such, that the government must be seeding the air with harmful chemicals using civilian and military aircraft. That makes perfect sense. Now that I am enlightened, I see that contrails couldn’t be naturally occurring vapor trails caused by changes in air pressure generated by air flowing over an aircraft’s wing. Your ideas intrigue me, do you happen to have a newsletter I could subscribe too?

    Be a hater. The links expose Bill Gates and the validity of chem trails. Bill Gates is also a major share holder in Monsanto. My argument about GMOs correlates to the fact that our governtment in not honest with the public on many issues. GMOs are harmful to our health. So where is the government warning about them. Monsanto is not only the leading GMO company on the planet,but the maker of Agent Orange and other toxic chemicals that serve no purpose for the betterment of human society. They are manufacturing GMO crops resistant to aluminum dioxide, a main ingrediant of chem trails. The connection raises questions. I guess you never question authority, and do just what your told. Your argument about being from a lineage of aviation experts only proves the existance of vapor trails (which I don't deny), but it does not disprove the existance of chem trails. http://www.scribd.com/doc/11353619/O...tent-From-1990.

    We all live by the outcome of our choices, and I try my best to be as responsible and ethical about the choices I make.I lived in Southern Cal back in the late 80's. I chose to leave for a good reason. It's an unsustainable enviornment filled with mostly transplant flakes who only care about themselves. And I left mainly because the ocean is so polluted that you are at risk of many diseases every time you enter it. They call it the a**hole of America for a reason.

    BTW, I never said anything about wearing a tin foil hat.

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    [COLOR="#0000FF"]Warning NY surfers!



    [COLOR="#0000FF"]"This is a message to all New York surfers. I am from the Northern beaches of New Jersey, and never been one to hate. But I heard from several people that went to Lido and Long Beach for the Leslie swell that they were vibed and told to go home numerous times. We here in Jersey have always been tolerant of you NY guys coming down here during the winter South swells. Well no longer. If your going to come down this way, you are going to get vibed BIG TIME!!! Go to Cape Cod or Deleware or Maryland for the West winds. You are no longer welcome here. Sorry if it wasn't you vibing us. Too bad. A couple of rotten apples spoil the whole barrel. "

    So... What you consider responsible and ethical is threatening an entire state with some BIG TIME vibing?

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    agree with zaGaffer: surfed 4 days straight on the west coast couple weeks ago...water was so polluted, ended up with an ear ache and a fin kick wound that got infected and still has puss coming out.

    Vertra may be toxic, but it can't be any worse than the water I was in....btw, it's the longest lasting sunblock I've ever worn as even soap doesn't take it off completely (makes me look like I'm wearing make-up, but it's better than looking like a ghost zombie).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
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    [COLOR="#0000FF"]Warning NY surfers!



    [COLOR="#0000FF"]"This is a message to all New York surfers. I am from the Northern beaches of New Jersey, and never been one to hate. But I heard from several people that went to Lido and Long Beach for the Leslie swell that they were vibed and told to go home numerous times. We here in Jersey have always been tolerant of you NY guys coming down here during the winter South swells. Well no longer. If your going to come down this way, you are going to get vibed BIG TIME!!! Go to Cape Cod or Deleware or Maryland for the West winds. You are no longer welcome here. Sorry if it wasn't you vibing us. Too bad. A couple of rotten apples spoil the whole barrel. "

    So... What you consider responsible and ethical is threatening an entire state with some BIG TIME vibing?
    Nah Dude, I was kinda angry when I wrote that. Just a little bummed about the attitudes recieved in your neck of the woods. The lame 'tudes had nothing to do with surfing etiquette, just the presence of Jersey being in your state. Like i said, we never hassled you guys when you came down here, and kinda expected the same up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBlove View Post
    Archy..."you are full of sh!t."

    Mr. Swellinfo: You are a scientist and I have always respected what you do/done. I like to educate myself on all different types of health related stuff and I practive what I preach. There is ZERO research that show sunscreen causes cancer and yet, there is 50 years of proof that sunscreen does protect the skin from harmful UV rays.

    I have not conducted my own study, but the proof is in the pooding; ***don't use sunscreen, you will have an adverse outcome***

    And as for quicksilver; I don't buy it, but, made in Asia or not-QUICKSILVER IS EMPLOYING MORE PEOPLE IN AMERICA then many other surfbrands. I would rather shop at old navy and I prefer no logo's on my clothes. My point is that we are better off with quicksilver then without. I will not quote on the working condition or the age of the people making clothes for quick, but I can promise you that they are not children and they are getting paid more then what you think is relative income to their society.
    WHOA OBlove, wheres the love man. I really don't appreciate your "check yourself wreck yourself, full of sh!t" attitude. It really does'nt make for an intelligent conversation on a topic that affects every surfer. SUNBLOCK

    First off, you don't know me or the choices I make.

    Secondly,Let me make one thing clear. I never said you should not wear sunscreen. So eat you 'POODING'!

    I started this thread to make others aware that there are alternative choices that are safer to them and the enviornment, and to the well being of others.

    I said sunscreens cause cancer. There may not be any medical papers to prove this point, but the active ingrediants in sunscreens, in the form of nano particles,are known DNA and hormone disrupters. What happens when you disrupt your DNA or hormones? You increase your risk of cancer greatly.

    The largest organ of the human body is the skin. So if you want to lather your body up with the nano particle, chem stuff: be my guest. I feel more comfortable with cocnut oil, beeswax, and chalky large particle zinc oxide. It's all natural, and the coconut oil is very good for your skin.

    As far as Quiksilver goes, as of 2010, they had less than 8,000 employees worldwide. That's 8,000 world wide. Not much of a dent on the world economy, let alone the US. There clothing production is subcontracted in China. Meaning the people making the clothes don't work for Quik. They work for a local Chinese company.

    At least we agree on one thing. I wear logo free, non surf manufactered clothes. But you "wrecked yourself cuz you did'nt check yourself"! Old Navy is owned by The Gap. The Gap has been long known to employ child slave labor.

    BTW I'm done with this thread and blogging on this site. To many haters on here that can't have a conversation with open minds.

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    I said sunscreens cause cancer. There may not be any medical papers to prove this point, but the active ingrediants in sunscreens, in the form of nano particles,are known DNA and hormone disrupters. What happens when you disrupt your DNA or hormones? You increase your risk of cancer greatly.
    So your OPINION, contrary to ZERO scientific evidence is to be taken as fact? I think your thetans are low.

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    I know archy's other post about people being vibed "big time" was super gay, but I have to say that many sunscreens may be harmful. The problem is, many people are fooled into thinking that if there is no medical journal report, then it must not be true, instead of using logic and reason. Do we have a test group of humans, some who will use sunscreen and some who won't, who we can keep in a controlled environment with regulated equal sunlight exposure, for a period of 20 yrs? no. even if some did develop cancer would we know the cause? no. We don't even understand cancer well enough yet.
    Did we used to have large trucks that sprayed DDT on our neighborhood streets? yes. my uncle used to run behind them chasing the mist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBlove View Post
    Mr. Swellinfo: You are a scientist and I have always respected what you do/done. I like to educate myself on all different types of health related stuff and I practive what I preach. There is ZERO research that show sunscreen causes cancer and yet, there is 50 years of proof that sunscreen does protect the skin from harmful UV rays.
    OB,
    I guess you didn't read my post. I referred people to Dr. Weil's article, which was parallel with your view.
    And, I definitely did not say don't use sunblock...
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    I understand that some of you see wearing sunscreen as absolutely necessary because you really want to surf in the sun and can't wear hats or shades. But don't let your desire block out your reason.
    Poor whiteys. I guess sometimes being mexicano isn't so bad.

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    Did we used to have large trucks that sprayed DDT on our neighborhood streets?
    the funny thing is the banning of DDT actually caused millions of deaths from malaria. Another example of pop science leading to unintended consequences.

    PS--logic and reason would use the scientific method to prove or disprove a hypothesis. Screaming the sky is falling based on a theory is irrational.