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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5145450.stm

    maybe u should read this article from the same site you linked earlier

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    anyway DDT isn't what we are talking about here, I was just using it as an example of "useful" chemicals being dangerous. I use sunscreen sometimes. But usually I try to eat dark colored veggies, regularly expose my skin to the sun, and don't stay out for too long.

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    Birdwell Beach Britches, baby. Made right here. First time I called to order a pair the gal who answered the phone was yelling at her grandson to stop eating cookies. Get a pair tailored for you - color, size, print, inside color, etc. Not cheap, but cheaper then chinese made surfbrands (et al) who are telling you that you need your baggies to flex and stretch and come with a 1 inch wax comb or, (gasp) a zipper fly for 75 bucks which, as the OP said, cost Volcom or Quicksiver or whoever 5 bucks to make by 12 year old indentured servants. "Youth against the establishment my a$$". Come on now. They even call them "Boardshorts". THEY ARE TRUNKS OR BAGGIES. Boardshorts are for people in Iowa who get wet in chlorine.

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    I posted a link to a pretty interesting article earlier in the thread, but not sure if anyone bothered to read it. The two ingredients in sunscreen that are in question are Oxybenzone & Retinyl palmitate. And the studies show that they are barely a risk...I'm sticking with my Waterman's.

    Oxybenzone provides effective broad-spectrum protection
    Oxybenzone is one of the few FDA-approved ingredients that provides effective broad-spectrum protection from UV radiation, and has been approved for use since 1978. “Available peer-reviewed scientific literature and regulatory assessments from national and international bodies do not support a link between oxybenzone in sunscreen and hormonal alterations, or other significant health issues in humans,” stated Dr. Siegel. “The FDA has approved oxybenzone in sunscreen for use on children older than six months, and dermatologists continue to encourage protecting children by playing in the shade, wearing protective clothing and applying broad-spectrum sunscreen.”

    Retinyl palmitate helps protect against aging
    Retinyl palmitate, is a form of vitamin A (retinol), but is not an active drug ingredient in sunscreen. When used in sunscreen, retinyl palmitate serves cosmetic purposes as an antioxidant to improve product performance against the aging effects of UV exposure, or to enhance product aesthetic qualities. Despite recent concerns from in vitro (test tube) studies and one unpublished report using mice, “topical and oral retinoids are widely prescribed to treat a number of skin diseases, such as acne and psoriasis, and there is no published evidence to suggest either increase the risk of skin cancer in these patients,” said Dr. Siegel. “In fact, oral retinoids are used to prevent skin cancers in high-risk patients such as those who have undergone organ transplantation.” Dr. Siegel also added that “unlike more potent prescription forms of vitamin A, there is no evidence to suggest that use of sunscreen with retinyl palmitate poses comparable risks.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    So your OPINION, contrary to ZERO scientific evidence is to be taken as fact? I think your thetans are low.
    I was wrong, and I thank eastsandbarphil, Chris Meyers, Sewllinfo, and Koki Barrels for thier open minded informative responses.

    aka pumpmaster, Doctors and scientist used to recommend smoking cigarettes to soothe the throat. At the time there were no clinical studies available to show they caused cancer, or were in any way harmful to your health. It was not until people started getting sick from them that they admitted that they knew they were harmful, and major lawsuits ensued. To believe the "offical" truth is herd mentality. Like eastsandbarphil said, "instead of using logic and reason". Toxic laboratory made chemicals or natural materials? That's the choice to be made.

    When I started surfing, it was considered an activity for degenerate and drug addicts, and was looked down upon. I was considered an outcast, and was forced to think for myself. I am grateful for that experience.

    "Think For Yourself. Question Authority." -Dr. Timothy Leary

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    [ Oxybenzone is one of the few FDA-approved ingredients that provides effective broad-spectrum protection from UV radiation, and has been approved for use since 1978. “Available peer-reviewed scientific literature and regulatory assessments from national and international bodies do not support a link between oxybenzone in sunscreen and hormonal alterations, or other significant health issues in humans,” stated Dr. Siegel. “The FDA has approved oxybenzone in sunscreen for use on children older than six months, and dermatologists continue to encourage protecting children by playing in the shade, wearing protective clothing and applying broad-spectrum sunscreen.

    Retinyl palmitate helps protect against aging
    Retinyl palmitate, is a form of vitamin A (retinol), but is not an active drug ingredient in sunscreen. When used in sunscreen, retinyl palmitate serves cosmetic purposes as an antioxidant to improve product performance against the aging effects of UV exposure, or to enhance product aesthetic qualities. Despite recent concerns from in vitro (test tube) studies and one unpublished report using mice, “topical and oral retinoids are widely prescribed to treat a number of skin diseases, such as acne and psoriasis, and there is no published evidence to suggest either increase the risk of skin cancer in these patients,” said Dr. Siegel. “In fact, oral retinoids are used to prevent skin cancers in high-risk patients such as those who have undergone organ transplantation.” Dr. Siegel also added that “unlike more potent prescription forms of vitamin A, there is no evidence to suggest that use of sunscreen with retinyl palmitate poses comparable risks.”[/QUOTE]

    Koki Barrels, I enjoy your inlelligent unconfrontational input to this thread, and I thank you for sharing your thoughts. I would like to share some info with you regarding you last post.

    First off, it is in my opinion that nobody should trust anything the FDA says. That's my opinion, but the fact is
    the FDA is corrupt. The heads of the FDA also work within the pharmacutical, chemical, and big agricultural industries for big salaries. Therefore influencing what the FDA aproves as safe. The FDA has approved numerous drugs as safe and effective, only to have thousands of people die from them. This next link shows proof of this statement, and I urge all Americans to watch this film. It's based on peer reviewed science.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0CQrL5nzwo
    "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicinces they take, thier bodies will soon be as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny" -Thomas Jefferson

    Although I don't trust any govrnment agency, the next link is from our own EPA. There you will see that most active chemical ingrediants in sunscreen have potential health risks. And none of them offer full UVA and full UVB protection. Only zinc oxide offered full protection. It's a "physical", natural material that in "large particle" form will not be absorbed by the skin. It will make you look like a ghost, but if your in the surf all day, does it really matter? The "nano particle" zinc oxide is of question as to the absorbtion into your skin, therefore raising some health concerns.
    http://www.epa.gov/sunwise/doc/sunscreen.pdf

    Lastly, some active chemicals in sunscreen are pretty harmful to the enviornment. Particularly to ocean reefs. This last link shows scientific peer reviewed proof that certian chemicals kill living coral. Including Benzophnone-3, otherwise known as Oxybenzone.
    http://scubadiverlife.com/2011/06/09...illing-corals/

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    [ Oxybenzone provides effective broad-spectrum protection
    Oxybenzone is one of the few FDA-approved ingredients that provides effective broad-spectrum protection from UV radiation, and has been approved for use since 1978. “Available peer-reviewed scientific literature and regulatory assessments from national and international bodies do not support a link between oxybenzone in sunscreen and hormonal alterations, or other significant health issues in humans,” stated Dr. Siegel. “The FDA has approved oxybenzone in sunscreen for use on children older than six months, and dermatologists continue to encourage protecting children by playing in the shade, wearing protective clothing and applying broad-spectrum sunscreen.”.”[/QUOTE]

    Also, new research is showing Oxybenzone to be an endocrine disrupter of moderate risk.
    .