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    Lance Armstrong and Doping

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/12/sp...nted=all&_r=1&<br />
    During his first Tour de France victory, in 1999, Armstrong’s drug of choice, according to the sworn affidavits, was the blood-boosting hormone known as EPO. At that time, there was no test for EPO, which is a cloned form of human hormone rather than a synthetic product. <br /><br />But when rumors began circulating about the arrival of a test for EPO, Armstrong and some of his teammates switched to withdrawing and then reinfusing their own blood. Again, it was a technique initially without a test.<br /><br />Ferrari discovered that when regular, if small, doses of EPO were injected directly into veins rather than under the skin, Armstrong and others could continue using the hormone without fear of a positive test result, the report said.
    Anyone still believe this guy? There are overwhelming evidence that proves that he was in fact taking banned substance, or at least he acted in a way to avoid getting detected. It also seems that he's been lawyered up to say that he's "never tested positive in over 500 tests" instead of simply just saying that he never took any banned substances (or banned at the time .... The killer is that his Cancer Charity now primarily just pumps money into promoting the Livestrong Brand, and only a small portion of it actually is spent towards Cancer Research.

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    no issues from me.

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    who cares? the guy obviously took ****. he gets what he deserves.

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    he and everybody else from that time period so I really dont see and issue. there are always people who hate on the successful.

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    I see a problem with people who cheat even if 70% of them were cheating. What about the people who follow the rules. Carry your ideals and ethics from your personal life into your sport career. This obviously shows he's a douc he bag also in his personal life. Then he uses cancer as an excuse and to make money. What a horrible excuse for a human.

    It's also funny how people measure success these days. Now go put on your gay helmet and ride your toy bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    I see a problem with people who cheat even if 70% of them were cheating. What about the people who follow the rules. Carry your ideals and ethics from your personal life into your sport career. This obviously shows he's a douc he bag also in his personal life. Then he uses cancer as an excuse and to make money. What a horrible excuse for a human.

    It's also funny how people measure success these days. Now go put on your gay helmet and ride your toy bike.
    Get your facts straight and do some homework. Lance does not make any money from LIVESTRONG. NONE! Is there a LIVESTRONG jet that he could use at his disposal for LIVESTRONG events? Yes (sold now.) But, he monitored carefully and there is ZERO money going into his pocket from LIVESTRONG. Liek I said, he is a sports fraud but he invested tons of money from all of his sponsors and earnings and he will be forever "well off with income." Get your facts stright barrels4liam because does not pocket LIVESTRONG dollars though he probally can beneift from them with write offs and travel expenses and seeing the world more then 1 time over with CANCER EXPO's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBlove View Post
    Get your facts straight and do some homework. Lance does not make any money from LIVESTRONG. NONE! Is there a LIVESTRONG jet that he could use at his disposal for LIVESTRONG events? Yes (sold now.) But, he monitored carefully and there is ZERO money going into his pocket from LIVESTRONG. Liek I said, he is a sports fraud but he invested tons of money from all of his sponsors and earnings and he will be forever "well off with income." Get your facts stright barrels4liam because does not pocket LIVESTRONG dollars though he probally can beneift from them with write offs and travel expenses and seeing the world more then 1 time over with CANCER EXPO's.
    I'm saying that he used cancer to steer people away from his test results. I never said anything about livestrong. Think of others you know with cancer. Then, how Lance said that some of his bloodworks strange results were due to cancer drugs. He was doping and obviously using cancer to cheat and benefit from it.

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    Way to change what you said, in what? ...11 minutes. Justify it however you want. Until you can prove what you said, your just a troll who repeats what "he said and she said." Read the reports. There black and white and written on an 8th grade reading level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    I see a problem with people who cheat even if 70% of them were cheating. What about the people who follow the rules. Carry your ideals and ethics from your personal life into your sport career. This obviously shows he's a douc he bag also in his personal life. Then he uses cancer as an excuse and to make money. What a horrible excuse for a human.

    It's also funny how people measure success these days. Now go put on your gay helmet and ride your toy bike.
    First what are you talking about with the "measure success these days" comment? Are you 80? Second, how is cycling gay? I guess I should probably stop running, walking and swimming too so I don't catch the gays and start frothing over Mario Lopez. To my main point, I get that he lied, and I get that he cheated. I also get that he is undeniably an incredible athlete. I appreciate that he beat stage three testicular, lung and brain cancer, and then established a charity that, as has already been pointed out in this post, has successfully helped hundreds of thousands of cancer victims and raise awareness. Lance Armstrong is a man, bottom line. He made mistakes, and clearly continues to every time he denies doping. He is great cheater, a great liar, a great athlete, and a great philanthropist. Honestly, yes I wish he would admit it, and he without question should be exposed for what he is. I don't think he's a god, a superhuman, nor did I ever think he was. You have to be pretty f**cking naive for this one event, occurring in, until recently, a fairly obscure sport, to shatter your little glass world. The only reason that people hate this guy so passionately all of a sudden is because they put him up on a pedestal, believing that because of his athletic and personal accomplishments he was incapable of wrong. I think that people who get so fired up about this stuff are really the ones tugg!ng one out at night to Jose Canseco and Lance Armstrong shrines. That's why the USADA is such a joke. The organization reminds me of a bunch of whiny little children who found our their all-knowing "stands for all that is good and pure in this world" superhero has been taking late-night Zumba classes in Kennebunk, ME. Their worlds are crushed and they hate the man who told them Santa Clause isn't real. Grow up. USADA should release the evidence they have against the guy, all at once, let the world digest the info and proceed accordingly rather than running around all excited like a 13 year old girl who can't wait to tattle on the popular pretty girl for copying someone's homework (and wasting taxpayer money). Expose the truth, wipe his cycling victories from the record, and move the hell on. Let him continue doing the charity work, which most logical people can agree, is not a waste of time and is not an "excuse to make money" and maybe even admit he doped and lied. What good can come at this point from dragging this affair on and penalizing every organization he's associated with, including a cancer victim charity? USADA and the media need to get it over with, move on, and get back to focusing on real issues affecting more people.

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    what, are you blind? https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...armstrong.html

    Let me say, that "I ***was*** a HUGE Lance fan." Not now.