So this kinda touches on a similar topic to the "was I wrong to take out this kid" thread, in that both parties possibly did wrong, but there was no physical altercation or gopro footage.
Over the weekend I'm sitting out in the lineup, and a dude who had just paddled out paddles outside of me deeper in the takeoff zone (he had a slightly longer board)...past me and some others who'd been waiting. So I'm thinking "this guy better wait and not go for the next wave." Ah, but we wouldn't have this post if he didn't go for it...and he did.
As the wave got under him, while he was paddling, it really looked like he wasn't gonna make the drop. So I start paddling for the wave, and the wave picks me up.
Then right as I'm about to pop up, I see the guy did end up making the drop, and he's coming down the line at me. So I don't pop up, and held on to my board while turning it 90 degrees (perpendicular to the way the wave was travelling) so that I could try and pull out of the this guy's way. I was able to hold onto my board (it was small day) while pulling out, so I didn't let my board go flying or anything.
Next thing I know, the guy is in the water 10 feet from me. He nor his board hit me, so I'm not sure if he wiped out trying to turn around me or what.
Now I'm not the kind of dude who provokes people, so I say "Sh!t man I'm sorry about that" (vs what I was thinking "wait your ****ing turn next time"). And instead of sayin anything, he just gives me this badvibe/maddog stare. I didn't say anything in response to his look cause 1) he looked like 30 years older than me, and I tend to defer to older people by default (+ in case it truly was my bad); and 2) cause I am still a little kookish (only 1 year) so I maybe I missed something.
So I can avoid this in the future, my questions are:
-should I have done something differently? (aside from taking a bad look and noticing too late that he made the drop)
-how do you handle wave hogs? (I kept an eye on him for a little bit more of the session and he kept going for almost everything that looked remotely catchable (he def wasn't a kook tho), while everyone else was waiting their turn)
I realize this is only my side of the story, but I'm curious to hear your insight or any similar situations.
Last edited by shablagoo; Oct 16, 2012 at 06:50 AM.
You said your relatively new, well the good news is you chose to pick up the best sport/hobby/activity in the world, the bad news is allot of other people surf too, and just like in all areas of life, some people are just d****. With that being said, it doesn't sound like you did anything wrong, besides not calling homeboy out on his death stare. Next time just paddle outside of him obnoxiously and take his wave, then stare at him the rest of the session, that'll get him.
I agree w/ ECsponger. If it went down as you described, you shouldn't have apologized, but assuming some guy isn't going to make a drop will get you in trouble, especially if they just got out on the water, they are feeling fresh, and you don't know their ability.
I always try not to paddle straight out, past everybody, and get the next set wave. If there's clearly a lineup already established when I arrive, I'll either paddle out a bit down from the peak, or take a few smaller ones on the inside first. Then I'll start positioning for a set wave. I consider paddling around everybody on my first paddle out bad etiquette. But it's not what I consider heinous, either... nobody's put in harms way.
You understand the mistake you made, and you've learned from that. You're also at least thinking about the issues of etiquette and safety, which is better than a lot of 1-year surfers. So, good on you for both. As for saying, "sorry"... I'll always say sorry if I snowballed a guy (made the wave break early, creating a section in front of him) even though I pulled back and didn't drop in.
I think what happens next is key. Did he paddle around everybody again? Repeatedly? Or did things simmer down and get back to normal. Sometimes people are amped up and geeked out, and make mistakes, then they settle down.
Man, I don't think you did anything wrong and probably shouldn't have said anything. I noticed you're in SoCal, in which case there are just a larger number off B=======D's in the water at any given time. Also, maybe he chuckled as he paddled away thinking "hehe, the look on that kid's face when I shot him a little stink eye was classic!" Regardless, don't sweat it.
That said..... I don't believe I have ever seen any queue ropes or turnstiles in any lineup I have ever been in. I surely don't paddle out and ask the first person I see where I can get my little numbered ticket that tells me when I can take a wave and at what point in the rotation. I don't cut people off or paddle around people, but I think the notion of there being a set rotation in the lineup falls into the "surfing as a group hug" notion and sounds more like someone's excuse for not catching waves.
Always apologize if you feel that you got in someones way.
Regarding wave hogs; after a few waves of hogging and you feel that you have no chance of getting any waves, SNAKE'M. Then give him the evil eye . He may respond with some choice words, but hold your ground and he will back off a bit. I always sit on hogger's, it drives them nuts.
Someone please come up with a comprehensive definition of "Wave Hog." Break it down to behavior and an exact number of waves caught that pushes someone into "Wave Hog" territory. This nebulous crap has got to stop.
Just because someone paddles out and sits deeper than you does not make them a Wave Hog. Sometimes it just means you have weak shoulders or are too impatient to wait for a set...
Here is the problem here. Some guys have surfed longer then others. Therefore are better and have enough confidence to paddle right out into a pack and take what wave they want. If you wanted to you could of paddled out further and inside everyone but you didn't. The next thing you did wrong was assume he wouldn't make the drop and tried to drop in on him without looking. Now this happens all the time. I had to yell at some old dude cause he couldn't take the time to turn his neck and see me flying down the line.
Now I wouldn't paddle out into a pack but thats me. You should find an area with not alot of surfers. Thats what I did for years. There is a pecking order in the line up and your at the bottom of it. There are some rules that only apply to newbies!