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    When are people going to wake up?

    When are people going to realize that we are building too close to the shore on the east coast and that the oceans are rising! Municipalities need to rezone what is considered a build-able area and back it back at least a 1000-2000 feet. Compensate people for this obviously. It will be cheaper than other solutions.

    If you look at these before and after pictures. The entire area to the right of that major road should have ZERO buildings. That should be non-buildable shoreline. Where all the sand was pushed is now the new NATURAL start of the beach. We are in a loosing battle against a rising ocean. People/government need to recognize that. Stop rebuilding in areas that will be destroyed again that are oceanfront. Back the line up of what is considered oceanfront or nature will do it for you It's only going to get worse. We are spending millions of tax payer dollars on re-nourishment projects/ocean walls hardening of the shoreline ect all in a losing battle!
    hurricane sandy before after satellite SEABRIGHT.jpg
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    It's not the rising of the ocean, it's the natural build up and retreat of barrier islands. It has nothing to do with ocean levels. This has been happening for millenia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    It's not the rising of the ocean, it's the natural build up and retreat of barrier islands. It has nothing to do with ocean levels. This has been happening for millenia.
    On the east coast ocean levels are rising. That's a fact.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...limate-change/

    The only way to deal with this is to back up what is considereded ocean front/beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shark-hunter View Post
    On the east coast ocean levels are rising. That's a fact.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...limate-change/

    The only way to deal with this is to back up what is considereded ocean front/beach.
    That may or may not be true. There is science that supports both side. I'm disputing your contention that the destruction and changes in your photograph are solely from the rising ocean levels. This simply isn't true. Barrier islands build and retreat over time because of mother natures action upon them. This is an indisputable fact.

    I don't disagree that we should restrict building. I just want you to make a valid argument why, not latch on to a political buzz word like "climate change" and blame that for something that has been happening for millions of years, long before man (allegedly) began to affect the climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    That may or may not be true. There is science that supports both side. I'm disputing your contention that the destruction and changes in your photograph are solely from the rising ocean levels. This simply isn't true. Barrier islands build and retreat over time because of mother natures action upon them. This is an indisputable fact.

    I don't disagree that we should restrict building. I just want you to make a valid argument why, not latch on to a political buzz word like "climate change" and blame that for something that has been happening for millions of years, long before man (allegedly) began to affect the climate.
    I believe that it is a settled question that human action has altered the climate
    and made it warmer. There isnt much room for debate here. So let's move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewwoodsurf View Post
    I believe that it is a settled question that human action has altered the climate
    and made it warmer. There isnt much room for debate here. So let's move on.
    when the data is manipulated there is PLENTY of debate.

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    That may or may not be true. There is science that supports both side. I'm disputing your contention that the destruction and changes in your photograph are solely from the rising ocean levels. This simply isn't true. Barrier islands build and retreat over time because of mother natures action upon them. This is an indisputable fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by ewwoodsurf View Post
    I believe that it is a settled question that human action has altered the climate
    and made it warmer. There isnt much room for debate here. So let's move on.
    Again, my point was completely missed. Please see the bold section of my statement. I'm not disputing the "climate change" position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchell View Post
    There really isnt any valid science supporting sea levels on the east coast are not rising. We are coming out of a glacial period, and are in a long term trend of ocean rise, relative to land which is sudsiding in many areas.

    Every long term tide gauge on the east has been measuring it since they were installed.

    Portsmouth VA
    Annapolis MD
    Lewes DE
    Atlantic City, NJ
    Sandy Hook, NJ

    Pretty cool Interactive map is here:

    http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/slt...sltrends.shtml

    I do agree that barrier island migration is being driven by SLR and other factors than SLR.
    I was referring to the contention that humans are responsible for a global climate change that has created the rising oceans. My apologies for not stating that clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carson View Post
    I was referring to the contention that humans are responsible for a global climate change that has created the rising oceans. My apologies for not stating that clearly.
    Oh yeah...the human-impact part is being debated. Look at at the plot from some of the older stations like Battery Park....data back to the 1850s ! with a pretty flat trend line.


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    most of that is to bring viewers in. the ocean may be rising, but the barrier islands and hurricanes have always been going back and forth. i think it would be of great cause to develop a better draining system and to build sea walls in every town.