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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by zrich View Post
    People who live near the water in flood prone areas get government subsidized flood insurance. If you want to stay, you're welcome to stay, but you should pay for your own insurance. This alone would cause a lot of people to rethink their decision to own a home near the water. I'm not sure what the subsidized rate is, but I imagine it's pennies on the dollar compared to what a private insurance company would charge to insure that risk.
    Socialism for the rich, but we don't have the money for medicare....let's turn into a voucher.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    the obvious solution here is this: let people build on the oceanfront after informing them of the risks and there will be no taxpayer bailout. if an insurance company will sell them a policy then good for them'. no need whatsoever to get government involved.
    Exactly. If you build near the ocean, myself included, you are aware of the risks and should not got any taxpayer bailouts. Now, church organizations and other charities can still help as they do with any crisis. The federal govt should not be involved. Now, for sharkhunter, he wants his cake and eat it too. If you don't want taxpayer money to help people with oceanfront property (which I agree with), you shouldn't approve using taxpayer dollars for free healthcare. You say it's a right for healthcare, bull****. It's a privilege. There were three rights defined when this country was created, look them up. Healthcare isn't one of them. If you don't like it, get the **** out of this country. I'm sorry. I'm not paying for others healthcare, especially obese and people who smoke. They know the risks of their lifestyle, just like people who build on the oceanfront and shouldn't get any free healthcare. Churches, donations, and other type of doctors will always help people without healtcare. People have no faith in other people in the community helping which happened way before the federal govt started getting involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shark-hunter View Post
    WHy do you think replenishment takes place by the army corps? IT'S ALL ABOUT PROTECTING OCEANFRONT PROPERTY. It cost millions and destroys wave breaks because of the sand grain their using.

    I'm saying we need to seriously re-think our coastline and to back it back a few blocks. That's all. Change the zoning. You can still live near the ocean. Just a few blocks back would be the new oceanfront. That's all. Anyway, agree to disagree.
    that's too simplistic. Part of it for sure but also provide beach for people to use is a huge part as well.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Sniffer View Post
    It all depends on the area. Every island or ocean front land has hot spots prone to breaching and flooding. These areas should not be built on period. A significant Dune system that has trees will do wonders for the surrounding area. We all ready know all of these hot spots and so does the govt. Its time to use common sense...
    Exactly. ........

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    that's too simplistic. Part of it for sure but also provide beach for people to use is a huge part as well.
    If the properties weren't there, there'd be no reason for it. The beach would be pushed back inland by storms and rising sea levels. What's happening is the ocean is pushing forward and the sand it being kept back, therefore being swept away and not replenished by the natural cycle. Jetties and other unnatural features are also robbing other places. And of course sand bars are being destroyed during replenishment.

    Do you notice these storms including noreasters are pushing sand inland? That should be the start of the beach with a gradual drop off. That's why you're having steep beaches. Unnatural drop off. There's been sand beaches for thousands of years without replenishment.

    We are interefering with the natural cycle by building too close too shore. How can people not see this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shark-hunter View Post
    Socialism for the rich, but we don't have the money for medicare....let's turn into a voucher.
    how is taking govt out of the insurance business socialism??????????

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    how is taking govt out of the insurance business socialism??????????
    Missing my point. Subsizing rich people homes on the insurance market is a form of socialism. We can pay for that yet the rightwing says we can't pay for medicare. Health care for seniors is more important than subsizing insurance for rich people's houses obviously. The right tends to like socialism when it benefits them

    Pointing out the hipocricy

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    We are interefering with the natural cycle by building too close too shore. How can people not see this?
    I don't think building homes interferes with anything. Barrier islands naturally migrate toward the mainland. Somebody can build at the high tide line for all I care BUT they should do so with the understanding that its not wise and they won't be bailed out by the taxpayer if their place gets washed away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shark-hunter View Post
    Missing my point. Subsizing rich people homes on the insurance market is a form of socialism. We can pay for that yet the right say we can't pay for medicare.

    Pointing out the hipocricy

    there is none. the ONLY person subsidizing homes is the homeowner via their own money. medicare is taking from everybody to pay for some BY THE GOVERNMENT. Medicare would be ok if that same government would keep the money taken to be used solely for medicare and not other general expenditures.

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    I have a small condo on CB. If I move back two blocks I'm in the canal. We all know that you can't move a condo. So: 1. The government buys all the condos, hotels, houses and restaurants within two blocks of all east coast beaches, with our tax dollars, and then bulldozes them (where?) and makes parking lots. (Talk about a drainage runoff nightmare.) Or 2. We get rid of the subsidized Flood Insurance Program. Now I, and most of my neighbors, and I imagine a lot of coastal homeowners can't afford the insurance without the subsidy. All of us with mortgages have to have insurance or we would be in default on our loans. Then banks have to foreclose. Now we have tens of thousands of vacant, bank owned properties not providing property taxes. People might not be as likely to build on the coast without the National Flood Insurance Program, but there are a lot of current properties that would be affected by abolishing this program. I've never been a great fan of government subsidies but this seems to be one that I'm a part of...