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    The Sand

    I feel the same way as most of you in regs to beach replenishment, beach badge fees...

    I hate beach replenishment and always question where, why, and how

    Why did Squan get murdered so bad......is it because ACOE built jetties then decided to push sand overtop of the jetties and create a horrible shorebreak. There is a huge drop off on most beaches in squan and the jetties were barely visible. I understand the amount of water the pushes thru the inlet is massive, but I cant help but think if there wasn't so much foreign sand would the water have some up so far carrying so much of the sand with it. Would the jetties have helped stop the flow of water. Could the piling on of sand where it wasn't suppose to be have caused the people on 1st AVE to have 6 feet of sand in the living room.

    How bout monmouth beach...they replenished last year and destroyed all the breaks around the beach club...rip slants. When i drove thru LB last week they took it hard but right at URsula plaza going into MB the sand completely covered everything......I find it hard to believe that wasn't all the sand they just replenished. Is there any proof replenishment works at all. What does it work to do? That money could have been put into an FEMA style account to be used to rebuild instead of being wasted (we are talking hundreds of millions of dollars). It makes the waves break hard on the sand and rush up the bank then dangerously back down the bank into the atlantic making swimming dangerous and pretty much off limits to children. I would assume it helped protected the beaches on the ocean, but it seems the replenished beaches actually did worse than other areas. Now those beach towns have to clean up the sand out of their streets and homes and the cost of ??????

    There has to be a better way...look at Kirra...they involved surfers in the replenishment and basically have an on/off switch on the replenishment starting at the tip of the point....not building it up at the dunes and pushing it towards the water...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boogitym View Post
    I feel the same way as most of you in regs to beach replenishment, beach badge fees...

    I hate beach replenishment and always question where, why, and how

    Why did Squan get murdered so bad......is it because ACOE built jetties then decided to push sand overtop of the jetties and create a horrible shorebreak. There is a huge drop off on most beaches in squan and the jetties were barely visible. I understand the amount of water the pushes thru the inlet is massive, but I cant help but think if there wasn't so much foreign sand would the water have some up so far carrying so much of the sand with it. Would the jetties have helped stop the flow of water. Could the piling on of sand where it wasn't suppose to be have caused the people on 1st AVE to have 6 feet of sand in the living room.

    How bout monmouth beach...they replenished last year and destroyed all the breaks around the beach club...rip slants. When i drove thru LB last week they took it hard but right at URsula plaza going into MB the sand completely covered everything......I find it hard to believe that wasn't all the sand they just replenished. Is there any proof replenishment works at all. What does it work to do? That money could have been put into an FEMA style account to be used to rebuild instead of being wasted (we are talking hundreds of millions of dollars). It makes the waves break hard on the sand and rush up the bank then dangerously back down the bank into the atlantic making swimming dangerous and pretty much off limits to children. I would assume it helped protected the beaches on the ocean, but it seems the replenished beaches actually did worse than other areas. Now those beach towns have to clean up the sand out of their streets and homes and the cost of ??????

    There has to be a better way...look at Kirra...they involved surfers in the replenishment and basically have an on/off switch on the replenishment starting at the tip of the point....not building it up at the dunes and pushing it towards the water...
    do you not follow any of the other threads?




    honestly

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    I honestly read the 14 pages of the "other post" and it seemed like a close discussion between 3 or 4 people. I'm been out of power, have 2 kids, and work for an insurance company talking directly to people who lost personal property and structure....I've had a lot on my mind and didnt want to be buried on page 14.

    I thought I made some good points....sorry if it sounds redundant.....I think it's a discussion worthy of many threads. I love Squan. I love the Hook. I love Holgate....I don't want these things to happen again....sorry for the poor forum etiquette. Superfish your wise words from the other post were not wasted on me. Keep it positive

    This thread is about sand ...not seawalls and drainage....simply sand

    did replenished beaches do worse or better than non replenished beaches?

    was there more sand washed inland due to the beach buildup from replenishment?

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    In the case of Slants in MB they went a little overboard with replenishment. It went from about 5 yards of sand to over 100 yards after replen. It's hard to say what would have happened if that sand would not have been there, the sea wall may have taken more damage. I agree, though, it's obvious where all the sand in the streets came from. So much time and money wasted moving sand around, Mother Nature will always come and move it back to where she wants it.

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    Was thinking about this same issue the other day... Maybe the next issue will be, "who's sand is it?" Does the sand belong to the people who paid for it? The town? The property owners? When they push all that sand back onto the beaches, where will it go? Who decides? I think these are important questions.

    The last replenishment went from in front of private homes about half way between Little Monmouth and the Pipe at the MB/LB line, up to an area in front of private homes north of the towers. That was the first phase of the project. The second phase, set to start soon, will extend that effort further north... from in front of the towers up into Sea Bright. Guys in SEA were working hard with the project planners to save the break at Big Monmouth, and were actually getting somewhere, for the first time. Where that project stands now... I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post
    Was thinking about this same issue the other day... Will the next issue be, "who's sand is it?" Does the sand belong to the people who paid for it? The town? The property owners? When they push all that sand back onto the beaches, where will it go? Who decides? I think these are important questions.
    Glad to see you back on here...I hope you and your family pulled through the storm safely.

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    Thanks, Mitchell...

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    There is no direct answer to your question because of the variability in the coast line, and the variability of long shore and littoral drifts, and the amount of weathering experienced from town town. That said, I got to see first hand in Harvey Cedars where there was a replenishment done just two years ago. Now half of the dune that was built up has been washed/eroded away. However, the beaches are still of ample size and I think as a whole the town fared much better than the town directly to the south (where there has been no recent replenishment). Again, to answer the question is difficult because who is to say that the storm erosion wasn't just stronger in the town to the south then it was in Harvey Cedars? It very well could have been. However, as far as the jetties and groins go, it has been shown that they do work to increase erosional rates compared to no jetty at all. At any rate, I would be first to complain that the replenishment destroyed some great breaks two years ago. However, I am much more thankful for the fact that we still have a beach to go to and the ocean side block was not destroyed. So IMO, can sand stop mother nature....of course not, but can it slow erosion, protect property, and portend beaches of adequate size....I think in one town it did.

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    I'm no engineer, but common sense tells me that if sand is replenished without a way to retain it, then any type of storm/current is going to move it where it wants. If they want to put 100 yards of sand (like they did in Sandy Hook), then why not build a way to retain it? Extend the beach, then build new jetties at the end to keep the sand there. That would make everyone happy (building new surf breaks), and would probably work???

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    Gumbya55... that's EXACTLY what many are lobbying for right now. Current beach replenishment methods are outdated, inefficient, and very short term solutions to very long term problems. Current research and informed experts are saying that effective shoreline protection requires a combination of sand replenishment and hard structures.

    The damage is done... we've developed the coastline in areas where we shouldn't have. We can't go back. The challenge now is to engineer better methods of shoreline protection, and learn from our mistakes made in the past.