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  1. #31
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    Logic makes sense to me, have been thinking this too. Of course I really have no idea. Would be great to hear from someone who has some specialized knowledge of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by forman View Post

    Since the longshore current is almost exclusively from east to west in these areas, one would assume that the untreated water would never flow "backwards", keeping the portion of beach where we surf relatively safe. Of course I'm no scientist and could be completely wrong, but this would be my best guess.

    Thoughts?

  2. #32
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    another thing to remember is that, on long island at least, people are still pumping out there basements all over the south shore. the discharge is supposed to go into your sewer line in the home but most people are pumping into the street where it goes into the storm sewer and into the bay or directly goes into the bay. not to mention that some folks have cess pools. even if most of the dicharge was going into the sewer, we have one plant in bay park that is still not 100% and dumping partially treated sewage into long island waters. not to mention when there is very high volume almost all sewer systems have Raw sewage overflows into the storm sewers and into the bay. that water has got to have all kinds of contaminants besides sewage like gasoline, heating oil and who knows what else. this is happening all over the island so all beaches would be affected.

    in the end if you have to surf its your choice. but from what im reading it sounds gross right now all over the south shore.

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Peajay4060 View Post
    another thing to remember is that, on long island at least, people are still pumping out there basements all over the south shore. the discharge is supposed to go into your sewer line in the home but most people are pumping into the street where it goes into the storm sewer and into the bay or directly goes into the bay. not to mention that some folks have cess pools. even if most of the dicharge was going into the sewer, we have one plant in bay park that is still not 100% and dumping partially treated sewage into long island waters. not to mention when there is very high volume almost all sewer systems have Raw sewage overflows into the storm sewers and into the bay. that water has got to have all kinds of contaminants besides sewage like gasoline, heating oil and who knows what else. this is happening all over the island so all beaches would be affected.

    in the end if you have to surf its your choice. but from what im reading it sounds gross right now all over the south shore.
    I agree, but it has been over two weeks since the storm and I would think that most of the pumping has already finished. Yes, there still is some pumping going on probably but would that be much different from the average storms / smaller hurricanes that come through regularly? (Also it's worth pointing out that the partially treated sewage coming from the Bay Park plant has had solids removed and has been chlorinated - meaning the water should be disinfected).

    I guess my point is I feel as if everyone is making a big fuss about the water quality, but most people (including myself) are not really educated in the matter and are just throwing out opinions. The reality can really only be measured with tests, and i'm thoroughly surprised that Long Island does not have some sort of facility / webpage with local water samples / tests like the ones provided in this thread about New Jersey. Furthermore, in all the articles I've read, it does not say anything about the water quality being affected in the atlantic facing beaches (to the point of being unable to enter the water), aside from the harbor and beaches close (such as rockaway).
    Last edited by forman; Nov 13, 2012 at 03:06 PM.

  4. #34
    the sewage problem will be going on at least until the end of the month, per Newsdays article... also don't forget there is gasoline and oil from boats and cars and people's oil burners and gas tanks etc etc . breaking my heart about the environmental impact on our beloved ocean.... and when to go back in......

  5. #35
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    forman... I suggest calling your local sewage authority, state department of environmental protection, and any local non-profit organizations for information specific to your local beaches. Commercial fishing requires clean water, and that's state regulated. So I think there's got to be some testing going on... they might just not be publishing the data. When I called the NJ DEP, local water reclamation authority, and the Baykeeper I told them specifically where I was, and what my concerns were. Once the tourists are gone, the state thinks they can stop monitoring water quality at bathing beaches. They forget that there's a whole population of citizens, who pay taxes and contribute to the state economy, using the beaches year 'round. We deserve the same protection as everyone else... and that protection comes in the form of information. When it comes right down to it, it's a public health issue... even more than it is an environmental one. You can even call your local sewage treatment facility and ask them, "is your facility fully operational? Are you doing partial treatment or full treatment? Is there overflow into the storm drain system?" Be specific, and expect clear answers.
    Last edited by LBCrew; Nov 13, 2012 at 03:14 PM.

  6. #36
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    i've been looking for reports on water quality too but all i find is what was and still is being discharged but no testing results. i know more homes were flooded this time and then some were reflooded after the noreaster so it probably is worse. plus those places are just getting power so pumping is still going on.

    you can make a case for no news is good news but the smell and look of the water makes me think the water is not healthy or safe right now. i did see on the DEC website that shell fishing is being re opened in some areas. im certianly not an expert but if the shell fishing is open it could be because the water in that area is not so bad.
    http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7765.html

    im still not going to eat local fish for a while.

  7. #37
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    I'll go in and drink some more water @ Rockaway on Thursday. Will let you know if I get sick again.
    Haha. Seriously though, on Monday and Tuesday I'm definitely getting back in. Forecast looks sweet.

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by hal View Post
    I'll go in and drink some more water @ Rockaway on Thursday. Will let you know if I get sick again.
    Haha. Seriously though, on Monday and Tuesday I'm definitely getting back in. Forecast looks sweet.
    That's dedication man

  9. #39
    I found this report online, thought it may be helpful. I dunno if i believe it though. Has anyone been surfing and got sick as a result lately???




    Atlantic Ocean Stations (11/9/12 update)
    On November 6, 2012, the United States Environmental Protection Agency in cooperation with the NJDEP collected ocean water samples for enterococcus (an indicator of human pathogens) from near shore waters from Sandy Hook to Seaside Heights. These samples were collected to delineate any plume of pollutants from the NY/NJ Harbor and measure its effect, if any, on NJs coastal waters. Sample results indicate no measurable effect from the NY/NJ Harbor discharge on NJs coastal waters. Results for enterococcus were extremely low. The maximum result was 60 cfu/100ml; the minimum result was <10 cfu/100ml; the geo-mean was 6 cfu/100ml. For reference, the recreational bathing standard is 104 cfu/100ml.

    No additional monitoring of the Atlantic Ocean is anticipated at this time.


    http://www.state.nj.us/dep/wms/bmw/s...nticocean.html

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by HaoleNJ View Post
    No additional monitoring of the Atlantic Ocean is anticipated at this time.
    Thanks dude! Sounds good to go!