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  1. #11
    Nev Hyman (Nev Surfboard originally) is a really good shaper, who btw is the owner/original shaper of Firewire..when he first made Firewire boards they were shaped by him..now they are Chinese pop-outs and in no shape or form made to suit any one certain person...they are made like a "sandwich" with specs a surf shop orders depending on the demographics of the area they are in. For example, whatever board sizes and models sell best in the area, are the boards the shop is going to order and push so they can make money. Bert Berger was the innovator of firewire technology, which was originally designed for high performance longboards with a lot of rocker. The idea was to increase strength and flexibility without adding weight, so to allow nose-riding on waves...the design allowed flexibility which allowed nose-riding, the board to flexed when riding waves from a lot of rocker to flattening out making it easy to nose-ride. AGAIN this design was meant for longboards..when the design was put to use on shortboards..Bert Berger pulled out, because this design is not meant for shortboards..due to the reasons mentioned above.

    http://www.surfingmagazine.com/news/...rewire-031607/

  2. #12
    Ericriley I hope I have educated you a little bit, and hope you plan on getting something from your local shaper. They will be able to help you with whatever you need, and be able to answer all of your questions. and you will most likely be able to see the board before it is glassed. SUPPORT LOCAL!

  3. #13
    Pictures speak 100 words Exit98Surf.

  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by djg8374 View Post
    Swell5.....If firewire is such a good board I ask again....why are the pros not riding them????? AND HOW IS IT YOU HAVE BEEN RIDING FIREWIRE SURFBOARDS FOR 10 YEARS? THEY STARTED IN 2005-2006! good job bud. and to further add they are way over priced.

    If you are thinking about a firewire be prepared to spend a pretty penny...not all of us are rich...and if you are prepared to spend 6-800 dollars...why not go with a channel islands as they are also way over priced..

    There is a reason why there is a stringer in a middle of a board. Bc it is proven most strength and durability whether it is epoxy or poly.

    I'd recommend you work with a local shaper who understands the conditions and areas you are surfing. They will be able to guide you to a good shape and float for your size. If it doesn't work out for you, you can go back to the same shaper and get a convo going on which will improve both your understanding of your needs and result in a board customized just right for you!

    Here is a prime example of why they suck::::>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsjsYcZqykA

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    i thought that they have been around longer then that give or take. seems like they've been around longer bc i had a 1st gen board. anyways more pros ride them bc its what they are comfortable with bc thats how they make a living!! michel bourez is on one and felipe toledo is riding one tearing through the qs right now.. seems like he wins everything and his surfing is ridiculous.. epoxy sandwich construction is stronger then poly plain and simple.. learn to read i did go local and although it was a very good board it still felt dead compared to my firewires and haven't gone back.. what does a merrick or ...lost go for?? 6 700 off the rack? that board won't last nearly as long as a firewire and will be dented up within a month.. i've ridden ...lost, had a flyer that i loved but again keep going back to firewire.. hate the process if you want but do u really think merrick or biolos is shaping your board.. hello ghostshaper.. local builders are different yes.. to each their own but to bash a board that you have very little experience with or knowledge about is pure ignorance..

    and poly boards have more flex thats why they work better then epoxy sandwhich construction when theres some chop.. they dampen better.. but as a shaper u already knew that right? actually u posted the opposite above

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg8374 View Post
    Nev Hyman (Nev Surfboard originally) is a really good shaper, who btw is the owner/original shaper of Firewire..when he first made Firewire boards they were shaped by him..now they are Chinese pop-outs and in no shape or form made to suit any one certain person...they are made like a "sandwich" with specs a surf shop orders depending on the demographics of the area they are in. For example, whatever board sizes and models sell best in the area, are the boards the shop is going to order and push so they can make money. Bert Berger was the innovator of firewire technology, which was originally designed for high performance longboards with a lot of rocker. The idea was to increase strength and flexibility without adding weight, so to allow nose-riding on waves...the design allowed flexibility which allowed nose-riding, the board to flexed when riding waves from a lot of rocker to flattening out making it easy to nose-ride. AGAIN this design was meant for longboards..when the design was put to use on shortboards..Bert Berger pulled out, because this design is not meant for shortboards..due to the reasons mentioned above.

    http://www.surfingmagazine.com/news/...rewire-031607/
    isn't berger doing sunova right now? same kind of tech.. including shortboards.. correct me if i'm wrong

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericriley View Post
    what size would you recommend for a dominator or an addvance? im 5'11' 160
    to answer your question.. go to their webpage and fill out their volume calculator. the results are very accurate.. i shoot the middle of my volume range to leave some room for a full on 5/4 7mm boot/gloves winter gear..i weigh 170 and was on a 5'8 dominator but i'm high intermediate/advanced

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    Get a local shaper to make you a very wide, very thick, deep double concave quad fish. Tell him to glass it 6/bottom 12 top. And not to be stingy on the hot coat. And you will have a stable fast board to progress on and it will last longer then any other at a boardshop.

  8. #18
    Ghostshaper yes, but I was saying that if you were going to spend the money on a board that is hyped up, then why not go with one more people are riding, thats where I was going with that...Maybe I was wrong in some of what I said but I do know this, Firewire may last long, maybe not a total disagreement there, but the minute the board is damaged, dinged or takes on water, the board will most likely deteriorate due to their construction...the layer in between the fiberglass cloth and the high density fiberboard is a layer of white paint that is sprayed in 5 coats or so...this doesn't allow the resin to fully penetrate and bond to the high density fiberboard that is vacuum sealed to the eps inner core. Thus causing delamination, and weakening the board. For example, what happens when you add water to putty/spackle that you would put on a wall that has been dried out? It gets mushy and you can use it again, same thing with the layer of paint inside the board, when its wet the fiberglass becomes unbonded from the high density fiberboard. As for the balsa parabolic rails vs a stringer agreee to disagree, there are good arguments on both sides here, and both entitled to our opinions on that.

    As for Sunova surfboards, same idea as firewire, but there is no high-density(HD) fiberboard as with there are in Firewire Surfboards, so no need to spray down 5 or so coats of paint to hide the dark color of the HD fiberboard. On Sunova boards there is EPS then the balsa wood vacuum bagged then glassed with fiberglass cloth with epoxy, this sounds better to me. DO you see what I mean with the Firewire. The only wood in Firewire is in the rails. The deck that looks like wood, is not really wood on MOST models, it is merely a digital graphic inlay, They are used all the time. I do not shape boards at all and apologize for the confusion, I am the laminator/glasser at the factory I work at and do all of the ding repair in my town. This is how I know the construction of these boards because I fix 2-3 of them a week in the summer. I have had the opportunity to see the construction first hand.

  9. #19
    Very True marknel83, this is how boards in the 70s and 80s were made, and these boards are still around today and still in good condition if they were taken care of...I like how you roll

  10. #20
    SUnoco..let me correct myself,..they would be stronger. EPS core, a thin layer of epoxy glassed fiberglass, followed by a layer of balsa wood completely around the board, followed by another layer of epoxy glassed fiberglass with thick balsa parabolic rails...same idea as Firewire, but way more quality made, and way stronger. See the difference. :::::>http://www.sunovasurfboards.com/surfboard-technology

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