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  1. #21
    Beaches in Rockaway are fee in the Summer?

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    Beaches in Rockaway are fee in the Summer?
    yes. unless you need to park a car or pay for transportation... but its free to walk onto the beach and do beach things...

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by ECkneelo View Post
    All those poor NJ surfers and residents are brainwashed about beach fees. In California they have much larger/wider beaches, millions more beach goers ALL year round, not just in the summer and there are no beach fees. That's what taxes are for and NJ still has higher taxes. The beaches in HB are raked every morning, trash trucks drive around on the sand and lifeguards cruise the beaches in vehicles in the winter. We get people from LA. and every other inland city and sure I have walked by a pair of used diapers, but what are you going to do, that's just the way some people are. It's not a reason for extra fees.
    The NJ lifeguarding is a joke with their little flagged off sections for swimming. Might as well be a pool.
    That's why I only surfed there in the dead of winter. I wish I had a suggestion on how NJ surfers could change things, but it's pretty ingrained in the culture I think.
    Agreed sir. Beach fees are unnecessary....the support for this argument is overwhelming when you look at the rest of the country and how they manage their beaches. I hope the bill passes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECkneelo View Post
    All those poor NJ surfers and residents are brainwashed about beach fees. In California they have much larger/wider beaches, millions more beach goers ALL year round, not just in the summer and there are no beach fees. That's what taxes are for and NJ still has higher taxes. The beaches in HB are raked every morning, trash trucks drive around on the sand and lifeguards cruise the beaches in vehicles in the winter. We get people from LA. and every other inland city and sure I have walked by a pair of used diapers, but what are you going to do, that's just the way some people are. It's not a reason for extra fees.
    The NJ lifeguarding is a joke with their little flagged off sections for swimming. Might as well be a pool.
    That's why I only surfed there in the dead of winter. I wish I had a suggestion on how NJ surfers could change things, but it's pretty ingrained in the culture I think.
    I enjoyed reading your post until you ragged on the lifeguards- i pulled more people out of hurricane water in a day then you ever have, and if your response back is gonna be "Im a lifeguard too" then your just a scumbag to write off someone in your profession. Don't come back to Jersey your not welcome!

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Peajay4060 View Post
    almost all of long island NY town beaches have a charges during the season. and the state beaches have fees also. some state beaches charge in the winter on weekends.

    the town beaches have resident passes and charge non resident and anyone with out a pass a large amount of money for the day. like 40 dollars. the state beaches require an empire pass that works for all state parks all yr or a day use fee.


    I think thats fair. people who don't go to the beach shouldn't have to pay for it through income taxes. if you use the beach often buy a pass. or go early or late when they don't charge.
    I stand corrected I guess. I use to surf Rockaway all the time and never paid any fees. Parked for free across from 90th st. Also surfed a couple other places and Montauk. Never saw fees. I parked on the dirt lot at Ditch Plains, no fees.
    In Cali you pay $15. per day at State parks for parking, but no beach fees. You can buy an annual pass. Most towns don't charge to park.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by mdahrouge View Post
    I enjoyed reading your post until you ragged on the lifeguards- i pulled more people out of hurricane water in a day then you ever have, and if your response back is gonna be "Im a lifeguard too" then your just a scumbag to write off someone in your profession. Don't come back to Jersey your not welcome!
    Sorry if you misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't ragging the lifeguards. I am sure they didn't come up with the idea to have tiny flagged off swimming areas and to blow the whistle when people go past the shorebreak. That has been my experience in NJ.
    Your welcome to experience the way it is here in Cali if you ever come out. Totally different. People can swim wherever they want, plenty of lifeguards here to deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erock View Post
    I find it amazing that with the incredible population density and high taxes existing in NJ the coastal towns don't have any means of supplying the basic amenities that should come with public beaches (lifeguards, trash collection, parking etc) without having to charge even more fees for people to step foot on their beaches.
    You could say the same thing about highway tolls, which don't exist in about half of the other states.
    Last edited by LBCrew; Dec 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM.

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    Driving North I always wonder where all that toll money goes, especially on the NJ Turnpike. With as many vehicles that run the entire length everyday you would think the road would be smooth as glass and sprinkled with diamonds. But no, it still has the same signs as back in the 70's and they are FINALLY getting around to improving sections of it when you get close to NYC. I drove it this October on my way to RI, which was the first time in about a decade I have driven it. To me, it seems to be the poster child for cronyism and corruption--someone's pockets are getting seriously lined.

    On another note regarding the Federal Flood Risk Pool "insurance": That's another program that has turned into a major bamboozle on the American Taxpayer at-large. It had good intentions behind it when it was passed, but like most legislation they did not think far enough in the future about potential unintended consequences. Remember, it was passed before the beaches, especially here in the Southeast, were majorly developed and most of the homes on the beaches were modest 2-4 bedroom homes with low replacement costs because they were built modestly with the knowledge they would occasionally be under water and need to be repaired. Now it has gotten to the point that most taxpayers are subsidizing and devaluing the inherent risk in building multi million dollar homes on an island or the waterfront--there is no limit to the liability the taxpayer has in rebuilding these monstrosities. At least here in NC our building codes have addressed these storms for over 20 years now. There hasn't been a home built on the NC coast that isn't sitting at least 10' above the ground on stilts in a long time.

    I'm really interested to see how NJ addresses this when they start rebuilding. It looked to me like a lot of the destruction occurred to older structures built at ground level or close to it. Hopefully their replacements will be a little higher above sea level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erock View Post
    I'm really interested to see how NJ addresses this when they start rebuilding. It looked to me like a lot of the destruction occurred to older structures built at ground level or close to it. Hopefully their replacements will be a little higher above sea level.
    I think we're gonna see the turnover from the older style shore cottages built in the 40's to newer style homes on pilings. Building codes will not allow for those ground level homes to be rebuilt the way they were. As far as subsidizing multi-million dollar homes though, it's not as prevalent as you might think. Alot of the nicer homes are typically secondary/vacation homes and are inelegible for FEMA money. And as far as the flood insurance goes, the reimbursement values are typically capped at 250k. The other factor is that the flood insurance is only required on properties securitized with mortgages. So in many cases the guy thats dropping 2 mill on a vacation home isn't required to have a mortgage (unless he can't afford it) and opts out of paying the for the flood insurance. I think you'd be surprised at the number of people with these mcmansions that suffered damages that are gonna take a loss on their house.

    But back to the beach tag thing. Is it in ingrained in our culture so that many people just accept it? Yes. Do you receive some type of benefit from this service? Depends how you utilize the resource. Is there a way to circumvent the process? Yes, just surf before 10 or after 5 (when most people are working anyway). Plus there are a few unguarded beaches to go to. Can you compare this scenario equally to CA beaches. I say no because in CA you have year-round tourism dollars coming to your beaches and local economies. This can perhaps sustain a certain level of services without the beach tags. In NJ you have a much shorter tourism season and less of a monetary pool to sustain a similar level of resources, so beach tags can be justified in some way. If people thought that beach tags were a waste of money, they would go somewhere else and not come back year after year. One could also argue that paying $15 dollars to park is the same as paying for a tag, they're simply user fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECkneelo View Post
    All those poor NJ surfers and residents are brainwashed about beach fees. In California they have much larger/wider beaches, millions more beach goers ALL year round, not just in the summer and there are no beach fees. That's what taxes are for and NJ still has higher taxes. The beaches in HB are raked every morning, trash trucks drive around on the sand and lifeguards cruise the beaches in vehicles in the winter. We get people from LA. and every other inland city and sure I have walked by a pair of used diapers, but what are you going to do, that's just the way some people are. It's not a reason for extra fees.
    The NJ lifeguarding is a joke with their little flagged off sections for swimming. Might as well be a pool.
    That's why I only surfed there in the dead of winter. I wish I had a suggestion on how NJ surfers could change things, but it's pretty ingrained in the culture I think.
    you say "brainwashed" whereas I say, able to do simple math. NJ has 127 miles of coastline. Overlay the same distance to California and that gets you Border State park down by Tijuana up to about Seal Beach. Now, you take that whole swath in California, and count the population within about a four-hr driving distance (sorry, some more math for ya) and you got about 18m. Take that same 127 miles of NJ coast, and even with EXCLUDING Long Island, you have 30m+. Plus it being year-round in CA tramples as you pointed out, tramples your arguement even further. All that means is you have less of a concentration of beach goers since they can spread out their trips throughout the year, and also, NJ doesn't charge for access other than in the summer. Plenty of 80 degree + days in May, Sept and even Oct for you to enjoy the beach for "free". I can go on if you'd like....