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    American Surfer jailed in Mexico

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/dec/...ed-surfing-tr/

    This is terrible. If you know any media that can call attention to this guys plight pass the story on. He is one of our own and surfs near my break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty View Post
    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/dec/...ed-surfing-tr/

    This is terrible. If you know any media that can call attention to this guys plight pass the story on. He is one of our own and surfs near my break.
    wow that's ridiculous

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    he'll be the next Locked Up Abroad on national geographic. That sucks

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    This isn't the first place I've seen this story, it made Drudge a couple of days ago. It really sucks and I feel for the guy; but there are two questions which came to my mind the first time I read it:

    1) If they were going to Costa Rica, why were they driving through Mexico?
    2) Why was he bringing a fire arm into Mexico? A 24” shotgun ain’t exactly the ideal dove gun.

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    The only way to drive to Costa Rica from the US would be to go through Mexico. I personally am not a pro gun person though so even though this seems completely bogus I have little sympathy, why bring a gun in the first place. Guns tend to cause problems not solve them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RID View Post
    The only way to drive to Costa Rica from the US would be to go through Mexico. I personally am not a pro gun person though so even though this seems completely bogus I have little sympathy, why bring a gun in the first place. Guns tend to cause problems not solve them.
    if you're driving from the US to costa rica, bringing a gun is probably a good idea. never done it but i'm going to assume you'd spend a decent amount of time in sketchy areas where a gun just might save your life

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    Quote Originally Posted by RID View Post
    I personally am not a pro gun person though so even though this seems completely bogus I have little sympathy...
    No sympathy for a U.S. citizen, plus a war vet, who was not trying to break the law ? GFYS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RID View Post
    The only way to drive to Costa Rica from the US would be to go through Mexico. I personally am not a pro gun person though so even though this seems completely bogus I have little sympathy, why bring a gun in the first place. Guns tend to cause problems not solve them.
    Read: My personal ideologies keep me from having a humane thought for those who do not follow my ideology.
    Pretty dogmatic, RID.

    So, should he have properly researched the laws of each country he was passing through? YES
    Should he have relied on the advice of a US border agent (one step above a 60 IQ rent-a-cop)? NO
    Should he have attempted to hide the gun and not mention it to the Mex border agents? YES, YES and YES! Those folks only see money when an unknowing gringo steps into their territory, it probably boils down to him refusing to pay whatever bribe the border agents wanted.

    Bottom line, his treatment in this whole situation does not match the offense--the embassy should be throwing some more weight around. No one should be chained to beds in solitary... especially someone who has put their life on the line serving our country and has PTSD as a result. The poor guy is probably going to be ruined forever now, Mhacksico has gotten it's pound of flesh. Do those of you who have no pity for him for whatever reason think this treatment is just?


    I've mentioned before that I used to deliver boats here and there to make extra money in HS and college. I have met and worked with scores of "Passagemakers" in the process: people who have done the Great Loop, Trans-Atlantics and Circumnavigations. They all... ALL have at least one gun on their vessels. Is there a chance of it ever being found by another country's official? NO! Are these people missing teeth, wearing a ten-gallon hat and shooting off into the air to express any emotion they have (you know, the stereotype the anti-gun crowd likes to purvey)? NO! Do they have it because (unlike an ivory-tower, resort-going blind to the rest of the world and cocky average American) they realize that on the open ocean in foreign waters PIRATES (gangs if you are on land, but they roll in speed boats now) do exist and are more ubiquitous than the average American realizes? YES, YES and YES!

    Going into the Mexican frontier and through many remote parts of Central America is just as much "going into the wild" as being 100's of miles from any land or civilization (which is why you should bring a sat phone at the very least), it's not like being in a "wild" destination at or near a resort on an average surf trip--not even remotely. Few people understand how alone you or even the small group you may be with are because they have never been in a situation like that before.

    Anyway, I'm just trying to say I understand why he wanted to bring a gun. Some people will continue to think about an ignorant and romanticized "Surf Journey to Central America, BRAH!" like its going to be care-free and funny--a la Bill and Ted where you may get into some sticky situations but you'll find a clever way to get out of it... hell even Socrates may help you out too... Some people, on the other hand, understand what can really happen and do what they can to prepare.

    Bottom line, they should have taken a boat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RID View Post
    The only way to drive to Costa Rica from the US would be to go through Mexico. I personally am not a pro gun person though so even though this seems completely bogus I have little sympathy, why bring a gun in the first place. Guns tend to cause problems not solve them.
    guns are a good way to get food. he wanted to hunt a little, and you need a gun to do this. most ex-service members are not squimish about gun. if he wanted personal protection he would have had a pistol not a crappy 410 shotgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaGaffer View Post
    2) Why was he bringing a fire arm into Mexico? A 24Ē shotgun ainít exactly the ideal dove gun.
    Because that was the gun he owned and the U.S. border patrol said he was allowed.