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    NEW FCS II Screwless Fin System! You guys seen this?

    Sick Vid. so stoked. What are your thoughts?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CatMg6eUyak
    Last edited by UnseenX; May 21, 2013 at 02:13 PM.

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    so many fundamental problems w/ a screwless system. what mechanism do they use to hold the fin in? is it spring based? will it corrode in the salt water? what about the "origins" system? will existing fcs fins fit those boxes? will "origins" fins fit existing plugs? will "origins" fit the screwless?
    as a surf shop employee, all i see in this is a nightmare. most surfers barely comprehend the differences in construction & materials, now you're gonna add differnt systems to the mix? what about stock boards? am i now going to have to stock 4 boards w/ the same dims but different fin systems-1 futures, 1 og fcs, 1 fcs 2, 1 fcs origins?
    as a self-admitted fin geek, i really don't give a damn about the time it takes to manipulate a grub screw to change fins. not that big a deal, IMO.

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    ^^^^ Nailed it

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    FCS has the best fins out there. Fins have come a long ways. They know what they are doing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweller View Post
    FCS has the best fins out there. Fins have come a long ways. They know what they are doing!
    if you want to buy into their marketing hype, that's fine. but i see a TON of potential problems with all these changes & i think a lot of people are going to opt to buy boards w/ futures who either normally wouldn't care which system they have or previously preferred fcs b/c of the confusion & potential issues. i ride fcs in the vast majority of my boards b/c i believe in the system (the other boards that don't have fcs have glass-ons). i feel that these 2 changes were poorly thought out & possibly rushed to market for the tradeshow. i sincerely hope that i'm wrong, but i don't think i am.

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    Existing FCS fins will fit those boxes... Not sure about the other questions.
    I think it would be cool to have a screwless system, but I don't think it will work. Like NJsurfer said, if it's spring loaded salt water will kill it...
    the reason they innovate is to stay ahead of the curve. Someone is always going invent the next great thing. But I think they work just fine they way they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer42 View Post
    so many fundamental problems w/ a screwless system. what mechanism do they use to hold the fin in? is it spring based? will it corrode in the salt water? what about the "origins" system? will existing fcs fins fit those boxes? will "origins" fins fit existing plugs? will "origins" fit the screwless?
    as a surf shop employee, all i see in this is a nightmare. most surfers barely comprehend the differences in construction & materials, now you're gonna add differnt systems to the mix? what about stock boards? am i now going to have to stock 4 boards w/ the same dims but different fin systems-1 futures, 1 og fcs, 1 fcs 2, 1 fcs origins?
    as a self-admitted fin geek, i really don't give a damn about the time it takes to manipulate a grub screw to change fins. not that big a deal, IMO.

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    Well... whether or not they'll hold up in the market and in the water has yet to be seen... only time will tell. A screwless system would be great, but yea... I see a lot of potential for failure. Simple logic tells you, "more parts, more chance for failure." Just another thing that can go wrong, and if it does, you might be in for a big problem, particularly in a remote area.

    But I can say with some degree of confidence that the Origins system, with it's fillet along the base, might actually reduce turbulent drag, and make for a faster, more responsive fin. The Holy Grail of fin systems is to get that elusive "glass-on feel" with a removable fin system. I'll hold off judgment 'till I try it.
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    I saw the new systems (FCS II and Origin) with my own eyes at Surf Expo. Full disclosure I am also friends with some of the FCS guys. Their intention is to phase out the plugs and fusion entirely and replace it with the FCS II box. They also admit that the Origin system is a bit of a niche thing aimed at the glass-on holdouts.

    They have also completely simplified their fin offering, basically offering 4 different styles of fins, each in S,M,L sizes. So in the medium term I think the FCS offering will actually be simplified, which is long overdue for shops and surfers and board-builders.

    As far as the screwless mechanism (FCS II). It is very simple. No springs. Just a hard rubber roller around a titanium rod. After a million in-n-outs at the trade show the fin was still holding solid. Also it still has the grub screws so you can use your old fins with the new system.

    As a backyard boardbuilder I also think the new FCS II plugs are improved. The PU core of the box comes though the top of the box so you get a better resin/box bond. Also the valley between the two fin-tab holes is gone, reducing the likelihood of bubbles in that valley while laminating.

    I'm sure there will be a lot of trash talk about the system in the near term, but I think when the dust settles it's an improvement for FCS and it will be well received. I know all the big-time shapers that checked it out at the show (Rawson, Biolos, Kechele, etc.) were very happy with it.

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    soooo...16 fins fit all? no signature template fins? what if i don't want carbon fiber/kevlar/texalium/inside foil? as much as i love fcs, my biggest complaint has always been lack of selection in purely fiberglass fins/too "techy" (read: "gimmicky"). the MF-1, IMO, is the single best large size fin in their catalog. why do away w/ that?
    this really smacks of changing horses mid-stream for the company, & i'm not sure i'm a fan of that. can't the improvements built into the fcs 2 box be built into the fusions as a redesign?

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    I'm assuming it's a pre-glass system, then, even more structurally sound than the Fusions? That's great... What about weight?
    Same footprint as the Fusions, so the same jig can be used?
    Is the PU core the same base as the Fusions... I really liked that.
    How long do they expect the rubber roller to last before it fatigues out and cracks? Longer than the board itself, I hope?