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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by ClemsonSurf View Post

    . A guy in vancouver is making some high performance boards out there with modern designs.
    High performance is one of the most BS misused terms in the surfing industry.

    'Modern' is outdated due to it being based on a raft of hydrodynamic handicap rules, mass mindlessness , bureaucratic hierarchy, trick surfing and other useless assumptions.

    Post modern design is where I'm at. We distill what is essential and trash the rest.

    The experience is what keeps me doing it, I have such a large advantage over the other boards and the ride feels so much more liberating, that I would never go back to anything resembling the mainstream modern junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    Not at all, I don't agree with the 'ripping off' accusation.




    Why do you assume that wealthy people are stupid?

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    Wealthy and stupid would describe anyone that would pay $500k+ for one of your boards. You are ripping them off. The only people buying this board would be idiots that just like it because it is expensive and other people don't have it. Wealthy people in general are not stupid, but your customers (if you have any) are.

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    I think it's time for a BENCH OFF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    High performance is one of the most BS misused terms in the surfing industry.

    'Modern' is outdated due to it being based on a raft of hydrodynamic handicap rules, mass mindlessness , bureaucratic hierarchy, trick surfing and other useless assumptions.

    Post modern design is where I'm at. We distill what is essential and trash the rest.

    The experience is what keeps me doing it, I have such a large advantage over the other boards and the ride feels so much more liberating, that I would never go back to anything resembling the mainstream modern junk.

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    OK.

    Please back this up.

    Please tell me why you "have such a large advantage over the other boards and the ride feels so much more liberating."

    Terms like "feel" are completely subjective. Please tell me what advantages your boards provide and what design aspects of your board provide theses advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeroevol View Post
    I think it's time for a BENCH OFF!

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    Are these Roy Stuart models?

  7. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post

    Wealthy and stupid would describe anyone that would pay $500k+ for one of your boards.
    All you are saying is that anyone who doesn't share your taste in surfboards and opinions on value for money are stupid.

    Unfortunately for you those who spend huge amounts of money on items of art, sporting equipment or fashion are often very intelligent, are spending a smaller portion of their disposable income than people like yourself would be when buying a cheapie, and are happy with the purchase.


    You are ripping them off.
    How do you feel about Damien Hirst selling 'limited edition of 50' moulded plastic knock offs of his 'For the love of God' skull for GBP35,000 each.

    Then there's the round piece of plywood daubed with house paint by one of his employees which sold for a million.

    The fact is that the ultra rich do not necessarily share your grumpy poor boy communist attitudes to spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    Post them up by all means.

    You seem to be making a case against wood as a material, and that can be assumed to be a case against heavier boards. Weight is just another design parameter,and it isn't the case that lighter is always better as we have been told for the past half a century.

    On my last board, the 13-9 Dragon, my standard paulownia construction would have made the board at 35 pounds. I deliberately brought it up to 48 pounds and have previously ridden the same shape at 70 pounds.

    The designs I use are able to take advantage of greater weight if desired. Mainstream 'Malibu' derived longboards are limited in that regard as they are very weight sensitive due to their unbalanced turning position.

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    I totally respect your equanimity and logic and don't really understand why people are name-calling and demanding pictures. For me, though, a 70 pound board isn't going to work. I spend my time riding waves (and mountains) in places that aren't easily accessible so my equipment has to work on the approach (or uphill) AND in the waves (or downhill). Strapping a 70 pound board on my pack and hiking 15 miles over mountains and down boulder-strewn cliffs to get to a break is like skinning up mountains on super-fat skis: the ride in (or down) MIGHT be more enjoyable, but the ride is only half of the experience for me; getting to the ride is the other, equally important, half. I need a balance between performance in both arenas and in both directions. So while I'm sure there's a place for your boards, it's not in the backcountry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeroevol View Post
    I think it's time for a BENCH OFF!
    ....It's ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClemsonSurf View Post
    OK.

    Please back this up.

    Please tell me why you "have such a large advantage over the other boards and the ride feels so much more liberating."

    Terms like "feel" are completely subjective. Please tell me what advantages your boards provide and what design aspects of your board provide theses advantages.
    Better handling and wave making ability is the short answer.

    There are many design features which I use to achieve this, but we could start with one of the results i.e. the balanced central riding position and sweet spot which almost completely eliminate the need for inefficient board walking (which not only destroys the fore and aft balance but prevents efficient turning while in trim).