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  1. #301
    how about your orange wetsuit? do you receive unsolicited compliments on your wetsuit or helmet?

    Now, Just like most other people people Im officially out of this thread forever. With your best evidence you have proven that your boards are not worth more then the materials which might add up to 1500 bucks....

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by MFitz73 View Post

    how about your orange wetsuit? do you receive unsolicited compliments on your wetsuit or helmet?
    What has that to do with surfboard design?


    Now, Just like most other people people Im officially out of this thread forever.


    You speak as an 'official' and for other members... impressive.

    Thanks for the conversation.




    With your best evidence you have proven that your boards are not worth more then the materials which might add up to 1500 bucks....
    Back so soon?

    Is the assessment made by yourselfon the value of my boards also 'official' and published on behalf of 'most others' or is it just your personal opinion?

  3. #303
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    Hey Roy, do me a favor and **** off.

  4. #304
    Reminds me of big wave Dave. Those delmarvians know the legend.

  5. #305
    unfortunately this sounds like the real Roy. His bullying and pedantic postings are all over Tree to Sea. All this talk of design and performance when a third of his board is out of the water at any given time. There are plenty of more humble artists building beautiful and functional boards. I also got a good laugh watching him glue together his boards by laying heavy objects on them

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by RhodyPedro View Post

    unfortunately this sounds like the real Roy. His bullying and pedantic postings are all over Tree to Sea.

    Actually all I'm doing is making my case as calmly and precisely as possible in an environment which is full of vague, imprecise and incorrect ideas... and I'm staying calm amid a considerable amount of personal abuse.


    All this talk of design and performance when a third of his board is out of the water at any given time.

    In reality the amount of board which is out of the water at any given time depends upon, amongst other factors the speed of the board and the wave shape. You seem to be suggesting that performance is hindered when the board is able to increase or decrease the wetted surface area in response to rider demands and wave conditions, when clearly that isn't the case.


    I also got a good laugh watching him glue together his boards by laying heavy objects on them
    It's low tech and it works, so I'm happy with the method. All power to you if you use mechanical or vacuum clamping.

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  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Lipsmacker View Post

    Hey Roy, do me a favor and **** off.
    I remind you that I you don't have to visit this thread, and that I have a right to reply, I'm remaining logical and honest, but if you don't like the thread I suggest that you ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    In reality the amount of board which is out of the water at any given time depends upon, amongst other factors the speed of the board and the wave shape. You seem to be suggesting that performance is hindered when the board is able to increase or decrease the wetted surface area in response to rider demands and wave conditions, when clearly that isn't the case.
    I noticed a bit of a lag between the shape of the wave and the board's response... the exceptionally long lever forcing the entry rocker down (increasing wetted surface) in spite of the reduced tail area and round rails. My guess is it's due to the extreme weight, and perhaps reduced tail area and accelerated tail rocker? Can increased tail volume make up some of that lag? Your increased entry rocker responds well, however, getting the board back up on plane. It looks to me that at this point, flex is critical.

    Roy?
    Last edited by LBCrew; Feb 12, 2013 at 12:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post
    I noticed a bit of a lag ... the exceptionally long lever .... the extreme weight....increased tail volume ....increased entry rocker ... getting the board back up ... flex is critical. Roy?
    Sounds more like "increased tail volume" makes for a harsh & painful "entry rocker" scene in a prison movie, not a surfboard design.

    (Took some editing liberties, LBCrew, hey, it's not serious it's the Internet.)

    Anyways, Stuart's shell game is predicated on the old, but ever-more-popular scammer mentality of the shysters in our culture today, when they say hey, I don't have to prove that all of my amazing claims are right.....you have to prove that I'm wrong!

    Stuart is total BS. There were snake oil salesmen back in the day; this year, it's deer antler spray pitchmen; same mentality as the guy pitching huge-money heavy, sluggish wooden surfboards with that big whoopty 'flex' for 'performance.' Same type scam, just a different vehicle to part one's money from one's wallet.

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post

    I noticed a bit of a lag between the shape of the wave and the board's response... the exceptionally long lever forcing the entry rocker down (increasing wetted surface) in spite of the reduced tail area and round rails. My guess is it's due to the extreme weight, and perhaps reduced tail area and accelerated tail rocker? Can increased tail volume make up some of that lag? Your increased entry rocker responds well, however, getting the board back up on plane. It looks to me that at this point, flex is critical.

    Roy?
    I appreciate your taking the time to check it out and ask about what you are seeing.

    Firstly, a correction regarding the rocker on the Makaha 12-9. It is exceptionally low throughout the entire 9 feet of tail, from memory the rocker over the whole long tail is around 1 inch.

    Also, the board planes at all times at surfing speeds, although as all planing craft do it displaces some water and thus gets some lift from displacement.

    Regarding weight she's a lightweight at 24 pounds, and is very responsive.

    I'm trying to understand what you are asking about. Are you referring to the occasions when the nose rocker comes into contact with the wave? There's one moment in the video where I stall and when the pocket catches up with me and as the tail lifts the nose rocker enters the water. The board then accelerates out of the pocket. The high lift produced by the nose comes with a drag penalty, but due to the high lift it is only momentary as the lift brings the nose up. For the vast majority of the time at surfing speeds the highly rockered nose area is out of the water, it's used for a quick lift onto the plane when taking off from low speed and for lifting the nose out of situations where needed. The advantage over even rocker ( which I use on other designs) is that as speed increases only the flatter faster part of the rocker is used.

    The acceleration in response to the wave is very prompt.

    Flex is a nice bonus but isn't strictly necessary on this shape in terms of nose lift. She's a very flexible board in a land test but as is always the case the feeling in the water from the 'twang' is subtle ( though powerful). There are two high pressure area on the board. One is of course at the leading edge of the wetted surface area, and the other is at the tail, due to lift from the tunnel fin. This is a secret to effective use of flex, it enables the board to load up in between the two high pressure areas.