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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    I have one video of the only few waves which I have ridden on the 13 foot Ghost, it shows the correct riding position, on waves which the malibus and shortboards can't make it through on. One major advantage i have over you in this debate is that unlike you I have not only ridden both longboard types but I surf with malibu riders all the time, so I know the difference whereas you are just assuming. In the majority of sessions the malibus simply can't make the waves which I'm making successfully. This causes the other riders a lot of frustration. It's easy to look at a video and go 'Oh yeah I'd be making that AND doing lots of turns as well' but experience shows otherwise.


    What are you talking about not making it? Every LB on the east coast can easily make those waves. That swell is big compared to our normal knee high stuff. I can catch anything knee high or above using a fun shape. You have experience surfing both LB types? Since when are there only 2 types. Why do you make stuff up? Personally, I have never ridden a Malibu. I have been on a tri fin and a single fin classic style, both of which easily catch small to large waves. I don't need evidence, as there is a 40 year history of east coast surfing that shows the designs are proven to work. Will Allison has been shaping for 34+ years. I think he would be considered experienced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    I don't.



    Fortunately for you you haven't encountered the Dragon, Ghost or Makaha with myself on board or your bubble of delusion would be burst.

    I'm probably related to Will by the way.

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    Right. You are related to a man that grew up in Louisiana and moved to NC. If your boards were in east coast swell, you probably wouldn't catch anything. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you with those weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post

    What are you talking about not making it?

    Every LB on the east coast can easily make those waves.
    These boards have a huge wave making advantage of mainstream longboards, it's easy to say from your chair that you'd make this wave or that because the boards make it look easy, but the reality is that during the majority of sessions the other boards struggle and fail.


    You have experience surfing both LB types?
    Yes, and more importantly I surf with all the variations of the mainstream 'Malibu' derived type on a regular basis and have done for a long time. They can't compete most of the time, because of their obvious design deficiencies.



    Since when are there only 2 types.

    Almost all mainstream longboards are derived from the Malibu type,although there are many variations they can stilll be lumped into the same category as far as their general deficiencies go.


    Why do you make stuff up?
    I don't... except in the sense that I design, original surfboards.



    Personally, I have never ridden a Malibu. I have been on a tri fin and a single fin classic style, both of which easily catch small to large waves. I don't need evidence, as there is a 40 year history of east coast surfing that shows the designs are proven to work. Will Allison has been shaping for 34+ years. I think he would be considered experienced.
    The point is that until the boards encounter superior craft then they are comparing their performance only with themselves.

    I'm in the position where I can compare, you are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    What are you talking about not making it? Every LB on the east coast can easily make those waves. That swell is big compared to our normal knee high stuff. I can catch anything knee high or above using a fun shape. You have experience surfing both LB types? Since when are there only 2 types. Why do you make stuff up? Personally, I have never ridden a Malibu. I have been on a tri fin and a single fin classic style, both of which easily catch small to large waves. I don't need evidence, as there is a 40 year history of east coast surfing that shows the designs are proven to work. Will Allison has been shaping for 34+ years. I think he would be considered experienced.
    Was thinking the same thing, you don't even need a LB for that wave in the video, that's got enough juice for me or anybody with any skill what-so-ever to catch on just about ANY board no problem. I've caught and ridden far less of a wave on a much smaller, skinnier, lighter board (6'10" FunFish) and still managed long rides.
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    Is this serious? Over a million dollars for a board? There is no way you have ever even sold one at that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post

    Right. You are related to a man that grew up in Louisiana and moved to NC.
    It's quite likely actually, if one goes back a few generations.


    If your boards were in east coast swell, you probably wouldn't catch anything.

    Lol now you are getting desperate!

    Of course I'd catch plenty.


    I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you with those weapons.
    I sympathise somewhat since no one wants to be outperformed. In terms of safety however I have an excellent record with respect to other surfers... partly because I am very safety conscious and partly because my boards have such excellent control capabilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawnPatrolSUP View Post

    Was thinking the same thing, you don't even need a LB for that wave in the video, that's got enough juice for me or anybody with any skill what-so-ever to catch on just about ANY board no problem. I've caught and ridden far less of a wave on a much smaller, skinnier, lighter board (6'10" FunFish) and still managed a long rides.
    Tell him he's dreaming!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    It's quite likely actually, if one goes back a few generations.



    Lol now you are getting desperate!

    Of course I'd catch plenty.



    I sympathise somewhat since no one wants to be outperformed. In terms of safety however I have an excellent record with respect to other surfers... partly because I am very safety conscious and partly because my boards have such excellent control capabilities.

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    My guess is you have never surfed the eastern coast of the old US of A. If you had, your comments would be very different. I pray for the waves you had in that video. I don't care if they were the weakest waves ever, the size and shape would make most of us very happy.
    This is considered semi big for us:


    We may not be pros out here, and we don't build $1mil boards, but East Coasters can surf even the worst waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    Tell him he's dreaming!

    Sorry but your pics only show up as blank boxes with a red X on my screen. You sorry SOB, only YOU couldn't catch a wave that nice without a LB, I on the other hand can and do on the regular. Nobody is dreaming but you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    None of those goons know the first thing about flex, they just use it as a marketing buzzword. There's a lot more to it than their clay footed designers realise.

    Glass isn't ideal as it is compresses and stretches less than the wood... if the board is flexible it will eventually delaminate, we don't use it we simply resin coat as the resin moves with the wood.

    We realised this and id it decades before firewire did, and a long time before Mr Burger... firewire are full of sh*t pretending that they thought of it. They haven't understood that functional flex is the province of longboards either... it won't work with mainstream 'Malibu' derived longboard shapes though.

    No Roy, I made that chitt up first.

    BTW, I know Will very well. Roy, on your best day you couldn't even hold a candle to a fart coming from his arse. Board making and surfing abilities aside and just based on class--throw the other two into the equation and it makes you appear more the single celled organism you are...