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    Where did I misquote the article Roy? Click link then zoom to read.

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    look if you have a problem understanding Roy's pricing and business model look at this link.
    Its clear as day...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFitz73 View Post
    look if you have a problem understanding Roy's pricing and business model look at this link.
    Its clear as day...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts
    Holy crap I forgot about that episode. Priceless for sure. Wonder how much the NZ Gnome charges for underpants?

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    FYI of two Baron surfboards made, one had been sold prior to the writing of the surfermag piece.

    The writer Ben Mondy did not contact me at any time. I was asked for a picture of the Baron by a surfermag editor, who did not allow any opportunity for us to check the article for false information.

    There are other major errors as stated previously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    FYI of two Baron surfboards made, one had been sold prior to the writing of the surfermag piece.

    The writer Ben Mondy did not contact me at any time. I was asked for a picture of the Baron by a surfermag editor, who did not allow any opportunity for us to check the article for false information.

    There are other major errors as stated previously.
    Really!?!? Come on, so Ben and Surfer came up with the 528 theory, the quote about "your wife" and all the rest without any input from you? I bet they also created a fake Ebay listing for the board. Not sure how it works in NZ but here in America that is called Libel and you can sue for it or at the very least have a retraction printed. So now two years later when you get ripped apart on SI, Swaylocks and a few other forums and Rarrick gives you a bad review suddenly everything is a lie? I bet you have that article framed on your wall as it seems to be the only semi positive bit of print about your boards.

    Like I said your boards are very nice and you have great skills and this is a free market society so you can ask whatever you like for your art, but if you are going to charge the insane prices at least have the balls to own it when 99% of the surfing world calls BS on it.

    PS, I forwarded your concerns about Surfers "lies" to the Editor Brenden and await his response.
    Last edited by rcarter; Sep 17, 2013 at 09:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarter View Post

    Really!?!? Come on, so Ben and Surfer came up with the 528 theory, the quote about "your wife" and all the rest without any input from you?
    As I said the only input I was permitted to have was to provide a photo.

    All the other material was taken from what is publicly available online, I have mentioned one of the glaring errors ( regarding the claim that I have not sold a Baron surfboard) there are others which i haven't gone into yet.

    The 'quote' regarding my wife is a misquote plucked from the net without my knowledge.


    I bet they also created a fake Ebay listing for the board.
    I haven't suggested that the listing was fake. The point is this: the article said that I lowered the price from 528k into the 20 k category after the board failed to sell at the higher price. In fact the opposite happened. The ebay listing was prior to the price being raised to 528k, this can be easily proven yourself via my blog, ebay and a thread regarding the ebay listing on Jamboards forum.


    Not sure how it works in NZ but here in America that is called Libel and you can sue for it or at the very least have a retraction printed.
    When I wrote to the editor pointing out the issues above and a couple of other issues I was told that surfer try to publish accurate information but that they rely on their authors to provide this ( he passed the buck to Ben Mondy the author, whom I had never communicated with) end of story.


    So now two years later when you get ripped apart on SI, Swaylocks and a few other forums and Rarrick gives you a bad review suddenly everything is a lie?
    FYI the Rarick 'review' was several 5 years earlier than the surfer 'article'.

    Also you have now claimed that I have stated that 'everything is a lie'... a ridiculous idea how could everything possibly be a lie? They'd only have to report a single fact correctly in order for that idea to be proven wrong.

    I have stated that there were several lies (or at the very least, if one generously treats it as merely rank incompetence, just falsehoods).


    I bet you have that article framed on your wall as it seems to be the only semi positive bit of print about your boards.
    Don't take up gambling.


    if you are going to charge the insane prices at least have the balls to own it when 99% of the surfing world calls BS on it.
    I don't know what you are suggesting here.

    What do you say I must 'own'?


    PS, I forwarded your concerns about Surfers "lies" to the Editor Brenden and await his response.
    Obviously he'll just say that they acted in good faith and did their best to publish accurate information and that they didn't write the article which was written by Ben Mondy, a freelancer.

    The message which they sent me to that effect contained yet another lie i.e. that they do their best to publish accurate information... obviously false since they didn't check the dates relating to their price reduction claim nor did they give me any opportunity to check the information.

    The result is that they have without my permission and in opposition to the facts published a price reduction which never happened, in reality the price was raised.

    If they did that to any of their advertisers or any other valued contact there would be consequences.

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    By the way I've dealt with dozens of magazines over the last two decades ( the latest, just out this week is 'Elite traveller' magazine) and with a couple of exceptions ( Pacific longboarder, Kiwi surf and NZ surfing) the surfing magazines have been appalling in their lack of respect for the facts. One of the worst was 'Slide' when it was edited by Alan Ashworth. I have turned down repeated requests from Slide for articles after their complete incompetence ( i.e. publication of a blatant lie and losing of photographic slides) was revealed In contrast all the magazines outside the surf industry have been professional and courteous, and they always give us the opportunity to see and check the material before publication, and none of them have ever lied.

    As I said they published a full page picture so I'm pleased about that, 'looking on the bright side' as it were.

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    In Roy's defense that article is a crap shoot.. The author knows nothing of how the board is built, telling me that yes the article and the group behind its publication know very little about Roy's work.

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    Charles you and Roy are both missing the point. The magazines like 99% of the surf community consider charging 10 times the average US household income in 2011 or almost 2x the average house price in 2010 outrageous! Roy you look and talk like a hippie but then turn around and say this is your own redistribution of wealth program from the rich to you, how hypocritical is that? The article did not in any way bash Roy's work (which as I have said is great) but did "talk down" about HIM again due to his pricing. Knowing how the board is built in no way helps justify the price. This is the issue most all people have with these boards. Charles you your self used Roy's plans to build your own did you not? I think that is great, but again it proves my point that companies that can sell their product do not turn around and sell their plans, if they did then why would anyone buy Coke and not just make their own if they could buy the secret formula? Why did Colonel Sanders protect his secret 11 herbs and spices? Because if it was public knowledge no one would go to KFC. I would be very interested to hear from Steve or Charles how much their Roy inspired board actually cost to make. As previously stated Roy's work is art and he is entitled to sell them for whatever price he wants but like I said "own" it and don't try to act like others should not disagree and get upset when people get angry at you charging outrageous prices for a very specialized board that is clearly not meant for or priced for the masses who will be the ones judging your work. This is akin to a painter getting bent out of shape for an art critic not liking their work or saying it is overpriced.
    Roy I know this is your work and you take criticism very personal as evidenced by your banning from Swaylocks. Like all artists if you are going to put your work out there you gotta take the heat it will bring from those who disagree with it. Do you see Spielberg going ape poopy when a critic does not like his movie? You dig yourself a hole with your cryptic responses to valid criticism and then act like the world is against you and every surf publication hates you. If you have sold a board for $500,000+ then hire a lawyer, get the publications to print your words and not theirs, enjoy your money and go surf your creations.
    Last edited by rcarter; Sep 18, 2013 at 01:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarter View Post
    Why did Colonel Sanders protect his secret 11 herbs and spices? Because if it was public knowledge no one would go to KFC.
    I'm guessing you're not in market research. A large percentage of people buy ****ty fried chicken because its cheap and convenient, not because they can't figure out to duplicate the recipe it at home!