I don't disagree that any acts of that nature are evil and should not have taken place. But I think that we agree on one thing and that is that there is evil in this world.
One way to group everyone in the world is by whether they believe in God or not. Right? Those who believe and those who don't. This is exactly the way God sees it according to the Bible.
Why would those who don't believe be able to condemn those who do (questionable) for doing those things when there are unbelievers who do the same thing? There's only one Judge. It's not me, you or Wayne.
I don't think Wayne is trying to get you to come out to catholic church. If I had to guess I would say he probably doesn't belong to the catholic church. I think what he's saying is he has a personal relationship with God. They communicate. Wayne to God through prayer and God to Wayne through His Word, the Bible.
Have you ever prayed? Have you read the Bible? Do you know what it says? No one on here is trying to get you to join their church. I bet you would say you are open minded right? All they are trying to do is get you to remain open minded and consider some things.
It seems you've been suppressing the Truth for a long time but only God can change your heart if He chooses to. Take a minute and look around. We are on a giant spinning rock circling around an enormous ball of fire. To a degree we've all bought a powerful deception that this just all happened. Something out of nothing on it's own. You seem educated so you should know that's not possible.
Not trying to attack you yankee just want to see if you'll consider some of these things I'm saying.
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Mar 7, 2013, 06:00 PM #62Senior Member
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Last edited by scotty; Mar 7, 2013 at 06:03 PM.
Wally, I understand what you're saying..."there is evil in this world." But what Yankee was saying is that the Catholic Church has a long and painful history of using the power of the church to abuse children, used that same power to cover it up and destroy those trying to expose it. Then there's the Spanish Inquisition, in the name of the Church, rape, murder and pillage.
I tend to agree with Yankee and Hanna about what Wayne is up to. I find it difficult, if not impossible to believe that he would walk up to a kid, hand him a surf board, no strings, no other communication. Call me a doubter, but I was born at night, but not last night.
Mar 7, 2013, 07:25 PM #64Junior Member
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At some point you guys will need to realize that all that is being done by this organization is giving some young people a chance to experience surfing for themselves. I would hope you won't be against that. This is a winning situation all around. Nobody is warping the minds of children or going "Catholic" on anyone. No one is being forced to listen to or blindly follow anything either. Its an act of kindness along with some very encouraging words. I'm hoping none of you are against that too. Try stepping off of your soapbox and have a heart for a while. You'll feel much better when you do. Everyone have a great day.
Some guy a long time ago talked about the benefits of turning the other cheek and forgiving past offenses.... I think he was talking about the cheeks on the face by the way. Anyway, he was making the point that people all make mistakes but should be forgiven. Do you naysayers think that nothing good has come out of organized religion? Do you think all followers of a religion should be persecuted for other's offenses?I assure you many more people have been helped than hurt by giving themselves to a higher power. Is it specifically Catholics that turn you off? Just curious. Average Joe Catholic never cheered when when a child was molested, he didn't cover it up either. He was just as saddened and disgusted as you were.
I don't think it's fair to compare this guy to a child molester because he wants to teach people about the sport he loves and his beliefs. Stereotypes are pretty ugly things, sometimes they're right but you should allow the person to prove that they fall under the stereotype first. (Please don't respond to that comment with the assertion that we should put the OP in a closet with a kid and see what happens... I think you get the point I'm making.)
What if the OP was impacting the coast for kids (seriously OP, rethink your slogan)? Just giving them the means to have a hobby that isn't xbox, meth or stealing cars. Would you have a problem with that? That seems like that's basically what he's doing, he wants to say "hey kid, have a surfboard and let me tell you about this interest of mine that has helped me in my life and may help you."
The kids that may receive a free board will probably look at it like a timeshare meeting... go for the free vacation but probably won't buy the 3 weeks a year. OP just wants to share an idea, sounds like a pretty good deal... My 16 month old son is really interested in a 9'6" noserider, let me know if you get any OP!
The OP isn't a great salesman but at least he's trying. What have you done today other than hate on someone whose beliefs are different than yours?
Mar 7, 2013, 10:30 PM #67
Not hating on anyone. Just very skeptical of the self-righteous. And very, very skeptical of someone handing out goodies to entice young people into the fold to then drill them with the proselytizing.
And want nothing to do with the proselytizing, whether it's Judeo Christian, Muslim, agnostic, Hari Krishna, pagan or atheist or whatever.
Just keep the I-got-it-all-figured-out stuff to oneself instead of jamming it at people. Esp kids, who are still working Life things out. Ever wonder why the ranks of the religious proselytizers, youth coaches, high school teachers have an inordinate number of freaks posing as mentors & leaders? NOT saying they're all bad; but an inordinate proportion of twisted adults are drawn to this like moths to flames.
Not hating. Just not trusting of the claims. Based on the human history of way, way too many transgressions over centuries; ya simply gotta be skeptical of this stuff. Keeps a person's soul intact. Not to mention other parts.
Mar 7, 2013, 10:31 PM #68
Hanna has my vote, he states it better than I ever could.
Mar 8, 2013, 12:26 AM #69Member
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You are right. I'm willing to bet all his goats are underage.
Mar 8, 2013, 12:33 AM #70Banned
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It is amazing what Jesus and a free surfboard offer has turned into on this forum. With all the positive comments thanks, hope you PM me I would like to meet you. As for the negative no problem , a little graphic , just kept it from the kids. If the negative turns positive feel free to contact us. We would love to meet with you. As for the impacting the coast comment , impacts are being made in the name of Jesus.