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    Quote Originally Posted by seldom seen View Post
    I've been following this thread and have stayed out of it due to high volume of work among other reasons, but for you guys spreading the "Word" it's tidbits like this that, while I can't speak for others, I find rather annoying. Assertions of truth on matters that truth cannot be found on. If you want to follow the teachings of Jesus that's fine. But as a historian by academic training, it's hard to reconcile the the good of the church with hundreds of years of bad. Also, when viewed objectively as a historical document, in terms of the who, when, and how it was written, more issues arise(Council of Nicea 300+ years after the fact, influence of Paul, etc.). Nevermind the anthropocentric and patriarchal implications of the whole thing. My mom is a practicing Catholic, I was raised Catholic, didn't work for me(and I consider myself a spiritual person still, probably more than the average Christian). If it works for you, then that's awesome and I say go for it, but don't be surprised by hostility on an internet surfing forum. Give kids boards for the sake of giving kids boards, impact the coast for the coast.

    *Not intended as a personal attack towards anyone, just my .02. I believe in the notion that there are many paths to the top of the mountain.
    Right on & totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawnPatrolSUP View Post
    I go to "church" everytime I paddle out. That's my santuary, it's where I find peace, it's where I commune with God. I tried the traditional church and it didn't work for me... but I do still have my relationship with God and I communicate with him through nature, by being part of his kingdom and the very creatures he put here on this earth. Being part of something so beautiful and amazing, it's impossible for me to deny something of higher power created it. I don't need someone to tell me that he exists, I don't need a free surfboard to believe he's real. I just paddle out and everytime and I come back refreshed, with a renewed spirit, full of life, love, and happiness.
    So true; that's probably not how this thread will end, but it's how it should end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankee View Post
    So true; that's probably not how this thread will end, but it's how it should end.
    +2.......................

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    I hear ya man. I had many doubts and researched every way to discredit it before I believed too. God's in control of everything so I'm sure He has control over what His Word says. I don't think He would have dropped the ball on that.

    Truth on matters that truth cannot be found on = faith. Belief in evolution theory takes more faith than believing in a Creator, in my opinion.

    Everyone these days claims to be so open minded. If that's the case shouldn't we at least consider this to be one of the options?

    If anyone is offended I apologize. My intent is not to offend. However, the Good News is offensive. I'm just going to lay out the Gospel real quick and then I'll be done unless anyone has any questions for me.

    1. There is a God and He is Holy (set apart and perfect)
    2. We are sinners (bad things happen in the world because evil has entered the world)
    3. Sinners cannot go to heaven w/ their sin because God is there and He is perfect and cannot have sin in His presence. This is a problem for anyone who wants to go there. Got to lose the sin.
    4. God DID make a way for us to lose the sin and that was through His son Jesus Christ who came, died on the cross, took on the sin of whoever would believe in Him and rose from the grave on the third day.
    5. Our job is simply to accept salvation as a gift. There is nothing we can do to earn salvation. Then spread the Good News which is exactly what Wayne was trying to do!

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    When thngs are going great in life, God is responsible. ex. Ray Lewis crediting God for every win...

    When things are bad, where is he? ie. I didn't hear Ray say God was the reason thse 2 people god murdered at the strip club.

    If God is responsible for everything then he destroyed my house in October

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post

    When things are bad, where is he? ie. I didn't hear Ray say God was the reason thse 2 people god murdered at the strip club.
    Hehe...God musta been on the jury.

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    these are not free surfboards. there's no such thing as a free lunch. the op is using deception with the title of the thread to get us to click on, and deception of the guise of free surfboards to get people to listen to the Gospel. ain't Christian! sonfollower needs to repent of his hypocrisy. this is a surf forum. I believe in Jesus Christ, but I surf for fun, and I go on swellinfo for surf-related topics. I think the best thing Christians can do to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ is just shut up and let the Holy Spirit work. You force it, you break it. If Christ is in you,then others should be drawn to Him through how you love others. Love one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbreak View Post
    these are not free surfboards. there's no such thing as a free lunch. the op is using deception with the title of the thread to get us to click on, and deception of the guise of free surfboards to get people to listen to the Gospel. ain't Christian! sonfollower needs to repent of his hypocrisy. this is a surf forum. I believe in Jesus Christ, but I surf for fun, and I go on swellinfo for surf-related topics. I think the best thing Christians can do to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ is just shut up and let the Holy Spirit work. You force it, you break it. If Christ is in you,then others should be drawn to Him through how you love others. Love one another.
    Well said. Got a story that I’d like to share...

    About 10 years ago I responded to an ad that was offering "free" golf clubs. Being someone who wasn't great at golf but wanted to have some clubs for the occasional game with a buddy I decided it wouldn't be a bad idea to pick some beater clubs up. Well, this too turned out to be the ole "bait and switch" tactic.

    When I got to the house I was greeted by an elderly couple who basically wouldn't let me have the golf clubs until I listened to what they had to say about Christ. They started with "Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ". I said "well as a matter of fact I do, but I just came for the free golf clubs." The wife then proceeded to stall and "find" the golf clubs while the husband handed me a couple of their Christian books that they themselves had recently published. I thanked them for the offer on the books but said no thanks, they insisted I take the books, "no charge" and to read them and pass them along if I could. To stop the two from carrying on and on I said "sure no problem" and thanked them for the clubs.

    Their whole goal was to get these books in my hands, and they used "free golf clubs" as a lure. It somewhat worked, as I was wanting the clubs so much that I put up with the uncomfortable interaction of which I wanted nothing to do with and took the books. So at the end of the day I got my clubs I came for and went about my business. The fact that I told them I already had a relationship with Jesus and the fact that they still kept pushing it on me is what stuck out in my mind. Almost like they didn't believe I was "saved". So now when I see things like this (free surfboards), it brings me way back to that day and how caught off guard I was by the whole thing.

    Moral of the story, this is not a new tactic, it’s been done before and it's deceptive. If you want to spread the gospel, do so in a way that isn't deceiving, misleading, or catching anybody off guard. I also don't believe it's a good idea to be messing with someone else’s kid like that. If I wanted my child to know about Christ and to have a relationship with him, then I the parent would teach him / her that myself. I don't need some random guy handing out pop sickles teaching MY kid the lessons I should be teaching them myself. It's not your place to educate MY child, it's my place. End of story.
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    I like it that "sonfollowersurf" says he speaks the TRUTH but starts his thread off with a deceptive subject line. How "christian" is that!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallysurfr View Post
    sonfollowersurf is simply being obedient to the scriptures more specifically, the great commission.

    Matthew 28: 16-20
    Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    nynj: We are not talking religion. It's more like spirituality. How could you place Jesus in the same category as all those dead people and make believe character? Christ is alive and He doesn't look like He did while He walked the earth.

    John speaking in Revelation:

    I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

    When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades

    Sorry to post all the verses but the Word of God is the only thing that will penetrate most of your hearts.
    Ohhh yes! I forgot... the seven golden lampshades.....duh. It all makes sense now!