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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    I love when people drink the kool-aid. Both democrats and republicans won't touch it because they will get the votes. I'm sure the people you use are legal, lol. Either way, most illegals are on government aid, food stamps, welfare and housing assistance. People think they are hard workers when almost 77% get government handouts and they don't pay taxes. People would do those jobs and used to at a higher rate. These people have come in and lowered the wage to 5/hr. You can't live on that or pay any rent unless you live like illegals do (10 people in a house). It's sad that they lowered the wage were people can't even take the jobs. It's not a matter of not wanting to do the jobs. When people take those jobs, they then need government handouts too because illegals lowered the wage.
    I mean, Im with you brother. Im not captain save the illegals... Im simply saying that if you truly are "illegal" all you get is medical treatment in a hospital... Without a legit social security # etc, you get no aide. You get no welfare and you get no hand outs... Plain and simple... Now, if you are illegal, with good documents, thats another story.... but illegals fly under the radar and dont use goverment assistance. And if they use a bogus ID, they still have to pay taxes that go into our economy that they never get back... they wont file their taxes...

    And what state has a $5.00 an hour wage? CA is $8.00, and SC where I live now is $7.25... We pay guys minimum $9.00 an hour to wash dishes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    It's impossible to buy a car with all American parts unless it's over 50 years old. You can at least buy a car that is assembled in the US by American workers and the transmission was built in America. You sir, are the problem. You probably would ship anything and everyone off to China to make a few bucks.
    Yes, I am the problem. Not you. No, you are perfect and making this country work.

    Spare me the BS. I work for the Germans, drive a Japanese car, and hold stock in Italian companies. However, my choices and purchases today put food on more Americans' tables than when I worked for an American company and drove an American car. Americans outsource everything. It isn't the consumer's fault, it is our entire system. It is capitalism. If you want to b1tch to someone, b1tch to the government and WTO. They are the ones allowing companies to use child labor abroad. It even happens on US soil. Just because something says "made in the USA" does not mean it is made in the continental US. Do you know how many US companies use child labor to cheaply produce made in the USA goods on south pacific islands? Do some research.
    I love when some bozo says something like "you are the problem" while also being a big contributor to the problem. Stop being a hypocrite. I never said I was buying from this stupid website, I only stated that it was silly to chastise someone who does (other than for being careless about giving CC info to random people overseas). We are all part of the problem unless you only buy clothes, food, and goods from companies that manufacturer in your local area. Other than the Amish, I doubt many Americans can make that claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    I mean, Im with you brother. Im not captain save the illegals... Im simply saying that if you truly are "illegal" all you get is medical treatment in a hospital... Without a legit social security # etc, you get no aide. You get no welfare and you get no hand outs... Plain and simple... Now, if you are illegal, with good documents, thats another story.... but illegals fly under the radar and dont use goverment assistance. And if they use a bogus ID, they still have to pay taxes that go into our economy that they never get back... they wont file their taxes...

    And what state has a $5.00 an hour wage? CA is $8.00, and SC where I live now is $7.25... We pay guys minimum $9.00 an hour to wash dishes...
    Almost all illegals get aid, that is a fact. I'm talking about illegals who come here and have anchor babies. All of them have kids. Once you have a kid here, he/she is an American citizen (using law in a way it wasn't intended). Since they have a kid who is considered an American because of birthright, they qualify for all assistance (welfare, food stamps, free schooling where teachers have to teach Spanish!, free healthcare, housing them in prison systems). It's billions of dollars in expenses to our economy and had killed the deficit. Hands down it's the greatest threat right now along with manufacturing in China. The only people benefiting are the people hiring them and making tons of money off them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    Yes, I am the problem. Not you. No, you are perfect and making this country work.

    Spare me the BS. I work for the Germans, drive a Japanese car, and hold stock in Italian companies. However, my choices and purchases today put food on more Americans' tables than when I worked for an American company and drove an American car. Americans outsource everything. It isn't the consumer's fault, it is our entire system. It is capitalism. If you want to b1tch to someone, b1tch to the government and WTO. They are the ones allowing companies to use child labor abroad. It even happens on US soil. Just because something says "made in the USA" does not mean it is made in the continental US. Do you know how many US companies use child labor to cheaply produce made in the USA goods on south pacific islands? Do some research.
    I love when some bozo says something like "you are the problem" while also being a big contributor to the problem. Stop being a hypocrite. I never said I was buying from this stupid website, I only stated that it was silly to chastise someone who does (other than for being careless about giving CC info to random people overseas). We are all part of the problem unless you only buy clothes, food, and goods from companies that manufacturer in your local area. Other than the Amish, I doubt many Americans can make that claim.
    You are a moron, sir. Are you drinking your crap beer? We have to discuss the topic and get people steered in the right direction. Otherwise, they will keep outsourcing and taking away Americans. I wouldn't threw the world capitalism around much is really intended for competition domestically. The globalization of the economy (NAFTA, NATA, Euro, etc.) is really the culprit and the worst idea ever. Isolationism is best to keep our country afloat. We need to stop giving handouts to illegals, stop outsourcing all jobs (companies should be taxed severely when outsourcing) and stop trying to help every other country. It's time to start thinking about the people in this country and the future of the country. We don't need to care about buying the latest Ipad or a phone that you can use as a vibrator. I already said I do my best to only buy American goods and support American businesses. The problem is people like you don't even try.

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    "their takin our jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobs!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    You are a moron, sir. Are you drinking your crap beer? We have to discuss the topic and get people steered in the right direction. Otherwise, they will keep outsourcing and taking away Americans. I wouldn't threw the world capitalism around much is really intended for competition domestically. The globalization of the economy (NAFTA, NATA, Euro, etc.) is really the culprit and the worst idea ever. Isolationism is best to keep our country afloat. We need to stop giving handouts to illegals, stop outsourcing all jobs (companies should be taxed severely when outsourcing) and stop trying to help every other country. It's time to start thinking about the people in this country and the future of the country. We don't need to care about buying the latest Ipad or a phone that you can use as a vibrator. I already said I do my best to only buy American goods and support American businesses. The problem is people like you don't even try.
    You don't know me, yet somehow I don't try? Keep making yourself sound like an e-tard. You are a problem just like the kid you are b1tching about. I am a problem too. Until we all admit it and stop playing the blame game, we will never change anything. It is always easier to blame someone else.
    BTW, by beers are better than any cheap swill you probably drink. American made craft, not foreign owned budweiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    "their takin our jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobs!"
    Back in the pile!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    You don't know me, yet somehow I don't try? Keep making yourself sound like an e-tard. You are a problem just like the kid you are b1tching about. I am a problem too. Until we all admit it and stop playing the blame game, we will never change anything. It is always easier to blame someone else.
    BTW, by beers are better than any cheap swill you probably drink. American made craft, not foreign owned budweiser.
    Are you reading my posts? I already said it's a problem but people need to make an effort. If you are making an effort, than it doesn't pertain to you. The fact that you have been getting offended by people's posts that are for buying American good makes me think that you don't make an effort. If I'm wrong, than good on you for making an effort. 90% of the population shop at Walmart, Target and Home Depot. This are the people who need to make an effort. What do you think would happen if people only went to mom and pops shops and boycotted these chain stores? That would be a great thing. I'm sure local companies would thrive and expand. . Btw I only drink American beer (flying fish) unless they employ illegals. If that's the case, they aren't really American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    Are you reading my posts? I already said it's a problem but people need to make an effort. If you are making an effort, than it doesn't pertain to you. The fact that you have been getting offended by people's posts that are for buying American good makes me think that you don't make an effort. If I'm wrong, than good on you for making an effort. 90% of the population shop at Walmart, Target and Home Depot. This are the people who need to make an effort. What do you think would happen if people only went to mom and pops shops and boycotted these chain stores? That would be a great thing. I'm sure local companies would thrive and expand. . Btw I only drink American beer (flying fish) unless they employ illegals. If that's the case, they aren't really American.
    I am not getting offended, I am telling people to stop being hypocrites. Most of the people *****ing probably own more than their share of slave labor produces clothing and goods. It doesn't matter if the middle man is an American. It isn't the middle men that are hurting, it is core manufacturing. I honestly don't care that people only buy from American owned companies. It is more important to buy from companies that employ the most Americans. As I said, my company is German owned, but they employ thousands of Americans and manufacture in the USA. Then there are US companies all over the place that manufacture all their goods overseas. If you just bought American, you would ignore a company like mine that does a lot of good for the USA. So, moral is that we are all hypocrites, this one guy buying from China isn't going to make any difference, and try to support companies that bring work to the USA.

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    BTW, I do enjoy Flying Fish. I used to buy their beer, along with Ithaca when visiting NJ family. However, they have an exclusive deal with certain chain store out of state, and that rubs me the wrong way.