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    Quote Originally Posted by bungalowparkbob View Post
    And exactly what would you propose DawnPatrolSUP? If this is the work of one sick individual, there is little else that could be done to prevent these types of attacks. If it was an international terrorist plot or there were many people involved, then I am wrong and someone failed to do their job.

    Goes political real quick, even in a surf forum. People love to spin things along party lines. Disgusting.
    Great question, I could come up with all sorts of suggestions, but ultimately it's going to be up to those are paid to do that as their job. I'm sure there will be changes made for future events, so let's just hope those changes help.

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    I am sure the government will now create new laws on explosive devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippy View Post
    Maybe so, but lets see how long it takes obama to spin this into an argument for gun control.
    While any type of CCW would not have prevented this bombing its still prudent to arm law abiding citizens as much as possible. We all are in our current positions here sitting around as a direct result of violence. America is best at violence as we are the top food chain country. So we need to accept and be armed to fight violence more readily and realize how many children around the world die each hour in this world. The current climate we have in the US. is too much about lets have violence elsewhere, but keep it away from MY/ OUR backyard.It may eventually lead to the end of America. I urge you to get proper training and be ready.

    On a surf note my girlfriend asked me recently if I plan to carry my weapon with me as I surf. Maybe a custom waterproof spot in the board to conceal ? Would the California lineups be more polite ?

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    I think its pretty plain to see, if you remove yourself from the distractions of everyday life.... the united states and Europe are under population jihad. its estimated that in 12 to 20 years the majority faith will be muslim in Europe. Mosque development is up 74% in the United States compared to 10 years ago.

    Im not one of those conspiracy nuts, but at this point I find it a compelling story worth paying attention to.

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    Look how long it took ya'll to get political! By the 2nd or 3rd post! This moment is not about the blame game or politics or bush or obama. Its about the families, the victims, and how we can be there to help our neighbors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southern_barrels View Post
    Look how long it took ya'll to get political! By the 2nd or 3rd post! This moment is not about the blame game or politics or bush or obama. Its about the families, the victims, and how we can be there to help our neighbors.
    ofcourse this story is about the poor people injured and killed in this horrible attack. But if the piece of dog sh$t that did this turns out to be syrian muslim, (or any other muslim) only complete morons will not make at least a passing attempt to analyze the current state of affairs.
    Last edited by MFitz73; Apr 16, 2013 at 03:51 PM.

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    I do agree tha safety is important and we all deserve to feel safe... But as long as there are horrible, brainwashed scumbags out there that want to kill Americans we are always going to be susceptible to attacks like this...
    I understand what you are saying about the president and security measures taken to protect him, but it doesn't apply... It's impossible to protect millions of people the same way you do one. Civilians are just as responsible to help as the people that are paid (or signed up) to do it... We are all targets, so we need to protect ourselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by DawnPatrolSUP View Post
    I agree, going to that measure every event is a bit extreme but the point is you know it's possible with enough effort. To know that it's possible to prevent it is enough for me to think it's at least worth doing a bit more. Me personally, I don't go to huge gatherings like this EVER, it's too easy of a target. But those who do deserve to feel safe. Is the President's life anymore valuable than those who lost their life yesterday? Some might say so, but I believe that we were all created equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    I do agree tha safety is important and we all deserve to feel safe... But as long as there are horrible, brainwashed scumbags out there that want to kill Americans we are always going to be susceptible to attacks like this...
    I understand what you are saying about the president and security measures taken to protect him, but it doesn't apply... It's impossible to protect millions of people the same way you do one. Civilians are just as responsible to help as the people that are paid (or signed up) to do it... We are all targets, so we need to protect ourselves.
    Fair enough, I see your point. I do agree we all need to be more aware and need to speak up when we something suspicious. It's a fine line though, you don't want to "profile" the wrong person, but at the same time you don't want to sit on your hands out of fear of offending people either. We as a Country need to become more united and have more tolerance for each other, and stop messing with other countries and start focusing on our own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DawnPatrolSUP View Post
    Just another example of our national security not being as good as we think it is. The military and police force need to step it up, this is a high profile event in a major city, how could this not be stopped?
    DP, I hear what you're saying and I don't disagree, but the reality is that it's nearly impossible to prevent something like this from happening, even if the POTUS were going to run -- which he never would because it would be impossible to secure the entire route.

    I don't mean to say that we shouldn't try harder or that canvasing an area hasn't worked before, but if someone has enough intent they can do anything they want. Boots on the ground and multiple eyes watching definitely works, but the slippery slope where that leads is a realization that more boots are better, and that someone has to watch all the time -- otherwise it's trivial for an observant criminal to wait until the watcher turns his head to look at something else.

    The problem is that there's no definitive action we can take to prevent guerrilla warfare or terrorism like this without further eroding the freedoms that make this country great. We want to feel safe but don't accept that we're never actually going to be safe. Cameras on every street corner and drones in the sky will not prevent this from happening. We're accustomed to giving up privacy for our protection, which isn't always a bad thing, but because 100% protection 100% of the time is impossible, we end up created arbitrary rules that protect against the unlikeliest of threats -- like taking your shoes off in the airport.

    X-raying footwear is security theater that makes us feel better about doing something to counter an attack, but it actually does very little to prevent a real attack. The point of terrorism is to terrorize, and for many years we've been told it's too dangerous to fly with little pointy objects and small quantities of liquid. The collective fear means the terrorists are winning. If they find that these bombs were put in garbage cans, someone will suggest that the government should allot money to make all garbage cans bomb-proof.

    There's no correct answer to any of this, yet there are lots of wrong answers (not suggesting you or anyone else here is wrong). We accept certain dangers when we surf -- sharks, drowning, kooks -- yet we continue to surf. We shouldn't kill all the sharks, pave over the sharp coral, or require a license to operate a surfboard. I knew people who died in 9/11 and I was and still am angry, but I know the answer wasn't to round up all middle-eastern people or prevent mosques from being built in lower Manhattan. I hope the same reactionary tactics don't happen now. If we find out this was done by white militants from the US, who do we round up? People who exercise their 2nd amendment right who also dislike the government?

    OK, that's the end of my rant. I hope we find the mofos who did this and that Boston and the injured fully recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viajerodevida View Post
    DP, I hear what you're saying and I don't disagree, but the reality is that it's nearly impossible to prevent something like this from happening, even if the POTUS were going to run -- which he never would because it would be impossible to secure the entire route.

    I don't mean to say that we shouldn't try harder or that canvasing an area hasn't worked before, but if someone has enough intent they can do anything they want. Boots on the ground and multiple eyes watching definitely works, but the slippery slope where that leads is a realization that more boots are better, and that someone has to watch all the time -- otherwise it's trivial for an observant criminal to wait until the watcher turns his head to look at something else.

    The problem is that there's no definitive action we can take to prevent guerrilla warfare or terrorism like this without further eroding the freedoms that make this country great. We want to feel safe but don't accept that we're never actually going to be safe. Cameras on every street corner and drones in the sky will not prevent this from happening. We're accustomed to giving up privacy for our protection, which isn't always a bad thing, but because 100% protection 100% of the time is impossible, we end up created arbitrary rules that protect against the unlikeliest of threats -- like taking your shoes off in the airport.

    X-raying footwear is security theater that makes us feel better about doing something to counter an attack, but it actually does very little to prevent a real attack. The point of terrorism is to terrorize, and for many years we've been told it's too dangerous to fly with little pointy objects and small quantities of liquid. The collective fear means the terrorists are winning. If they find that these bombs were put in garbage cans, someone will suggest that the government should allot money to make all garbage cans bomb-proof.

    There's no correct answer to any of this, yet there are lots of wrong answers (not suggesting you or anyone else here is wrong). We accept certain dangers when we surf -- sharks, drowning, kooks -- yet we continue to surf. We shouldn't kill all the sharks, pave over the sharp coral, or require a license to operate a surfboard. I knew people who died in 9/11 and I was and still am angry, but I know the answer wasn't to round up all middle-eastern people or prevent mosques from being built in lower Manhattan. I hope the same reactionary tactics don't happen now. If we find out this was done by white militants from the US, who do we round up? People who exercise their 2nd amendment right who also dislike the government?

    OK, that's the end of my rant. I hope we find the mofos who did this and that Boston and the injured fully recover.
    the chances that the bombing in boston was done by white militants is zero. it would be a better chance that it was done by little green men from outer space.