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  1. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by newenglandflatness View Post
    Look, I don't feel like discussing this tiny facet of the conversation. We got lost when you offered the Irish example and I stated that Islam is a religion, not a race.

    My point is this: If the bomber happens to be Muslim, the Muslim-American population has absolutely zero responsibility to "get its act together" based on the actions of a few crazies who happen to adhere to a distorted version of Islam (as you like to call it, the Muslim faith). The responsibility lies with every single person to not make generalizations based on faith, ethnicity, religion, race, etc. While I'll grant that if the bomber were to be Muslim, it would certainly increase anti-Muslim sentiment in this country, that doesn't make it right. This is all I have stated.

    Again, even allowing your comparison to the Irish, THAT DOESN'T MAKE DISCRIMINATION RIGHT. Groups subject to bigotry must somehow "earn" their way out of the prejudice? As a society, I'd like to think we strive to not repeat our own errors.

    You're caught up on this Islam v. Muslim conversation and ignoring everything else.
    well tell that to the japanese living in america in ww2. yeah, see this is a perfect example of how you 2 guys got lost. my comparision of why it needs to come from the muslim community and how the irish banded together is appropriate. as a group, race or religion or both, the changes need to at least partially come from within. There is no difference if the irish collectively make efforts to better their role in society or if muslims come together to do so.
    this is why I questioned the comprehension skills of you two after your replies...

    which brings me back... what happens if its a muslim? you don't think there is a chance of society turning against or showing more anger towards them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFitz73 View Post
    well tell that to the japanese living in america in ww2. yeah, see this is a perfect example of how you 2 guys got lost. my comparision of why it needs to come from the muslim community and how the irish banded together is appropriate. as a group, race or religion or both, the changes need to at least partially come from within. There is no difference if the irish collectively make efforts to better their role in society or if muslims come together to do so.
    this is why I questioned the comprehension skills of you two after your replies...
    Look, let's just go back to my initial response to your comparison. I'll take out the Islam is a religion line for all of our sakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by newenglandflatness View Post
    The stereotyping that "naturally occurs" is only propagated by comments like yours. The Muslim-American population is no different than any other demographic. It's not their responsibility to make the rest of the country cease its bigotry. It's your responsibility, and mine, and everyone else's, NOT to make generalizations based on an individual's religion, race, or ethnicity.

    What do you propose Muslim-Americans do to spearhead this change? Become everyday members of society? THEY ARE. You want more Muslim police officers? At that point you'll change your views? There are plenty. How about the Muslim-Americans that constitute some of the leading healthcare professionals in the country? Not enough for you? We can play this game all day. Take responsibility for how you view the world, and get out from under this guise of societal group behavior s*** you're spewing. It's not the job of Muslim-Americans to make people see Muslims as humans like you and me.
    Again, I just, personally, don't think groups, be them ethnic, racial, religious, etc. need to earn the right to not be discriminated against.

    I really don't think we need to start blatantly insulting one another's intelligence while ignoring the valid points brought up by both sides. Let's talk like adults.

    EDIT And on that note, I'll say that when I referred to spewing sh**, I offer that only in response to society's group behavior. I don't mean to insult your intelligence with it, I just disagree with that line of thought (And this was before things got quite so feisty).
    Last edited by newenglandflatness; Apr 16, 2013 at 10:34 PM.

  3. #113
    Guys I'm pretty sure it was sea otters who caused this. They are still mad that we eat on tables and not our tummies.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fx_I4piqpY

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFitz73 View Post
    well tell that to the japanese living in america in ww2. yeah, see this is a perfect example of how you 2 guys got lost. my comparision of why it needs to come from the muslim community and how the irish banded together is appropriate. as a group, race or religion or both, the changes need to at least partially come from within. There is no difference if the irish collectively make efforts to better their role in society or if muslims come together to do so.
    this is why I questioned the comprehension skills of you two after your replies...

    which brings me back... what happens if its a muslim? you don't think there is a chance of society turning against or showing more anger towards them?
    In my post you quoted in this post, I grant that it would increase anti-Muslim sentiment. Again, I just don't agree with the thought it's up to the Muslim-American population, the vast vast vast majority of whom have nothing to do with any terrorist activity, to change the perception of the bigots in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newenglandflatness View Post
    grant that it would increase anti-Muslim sentiment. Again, I just don't agree with the thought it's up to the Muslim-American population, the vast vast vast majority of whom have nothing to do with any terrorist activity, to change the perception of the bigots in this country.
    This^^^^^^

  6. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by newenglandflatness View Post
    The stereotyping that "naturally occurs" is only propagated by comments like yours.

    no, this not correct. In this life, if muslims continue to be the ones setting off bombs or trying to bomb people in america the stereotyping will be reinforced. That is why I originally said what if its discovered to be a muslim who did it? Currently the american population associates terrorist acts with muslims. I didn't make that up.
    So you guys jumping all over me about it is why I fired back at you guys. but like you guys I to am tired of this and pretty much covered everything I wanted to say on the sideshow...

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    Look, you're continuing to ignore the vast majority of what I'm saying. If we can't do this rationally, then you're right, let's just not do it at all.

    No hard feelings Fitz. Seriously. Just a large difference in opinion.

  8. #118
    I agree that religious groups and ethnic groups shouldn't have to earn the right not to be discriminated against. It's not fair to the majority... But sometimes the minority ruins it for the majority in the court of public opinion...
    -When a guy shows up decapiteted in a barrel in Texas we assume it's Mexican Cartel.
    - After the Rodney King beating we new it was Black dudes were rioting (even if it wasn't on TV)...
    I personally saw Muslim Americans celebratin in the street in Paterson NJ on 9/11. Those people ruin it for the Majority who are good citizens... It's up to them to tear down the sterotypes, fair or not.

    I don't know who bombed Boston. I do know that they are scum no matter what color they are and beliefs they have.


    Quote Originally Posted by newenglandflatness View Post
    Look, let's just go back to my initial response to your comparison. I'll take out the Islam is a religion line for all of our sakes.



    Again, I just, personally, don't think groups, be them ethnic, racial, religious, etc. need to earn the right to not be discriminated against.

    I really don't think we need to start blatantly insulting one another's intelligence while ignoring the valid points brought up by both sides. Let's talk like adults.

    EDIT And on that note, I'll say that when I referred to spewing sh**, I offer that only in response to society's group behavior. I don't mean to insult your intelligence with it, I just disagree with that line of thought (And this was before things got quite so feisty).

  9. #119
    NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST, but all terrorist are Muslim..and unfortunately stereotypes are based on reality..but in regards to Boston it was probably some deranged white dude. Caucasians be crazy

  10. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by NJxSurfer View Post
    Dude... What did you just make me watch?
    I got 2 hats just like his.