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    Quote Originally Posted by scotty View Post
    Really? How? So the kid goes and runs under a boat tarp without being seen. How do the PD search differently if more of the residents are armed? I'm not against bearing arms, not sure how this search plays out differently.
    The PD responded after the homeowner called to report somebody under the tarp. search didn"t find him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    They are allowed to do this under martial law. It is sad for the innocent people involved, but this is the knee jerk reaction you get with a surprise terrorist attack in this country. I am not happy to see it happen, but I am also not going to cry government conspiracy. More like unprepared government reactions.
    I'm with you. And under martial law, thats what they did. I am saying martial law was unnecessary. Seldom Seen made a better point that what I had stated. That is a perfect example... I have pets too. My dog does NOT like strangers. I can't even let the maintenance man in while im not at home for the fear that he may let the dog out, or somehow get attacked. My dog has never attacked anyone, which isn't the point. But that is one of those 100 different reasons why that is not a proper plan of action...

    I mean, a man-hunt for one person turns into Martial Law in Boston? It just seems like Red Dawn or some bad movie... You should not put civilians at risk in ANY way. Not their belongings, their pets, their personal property. Nothing. Its not worth it.... Now if the North Koreans had just invaded boston, maybe Martial law is imminent, but to go to Martial law because of a teenager with a gun... Thats an overkill.

    Its just troublesome that at the drop of a hat, Martial Law was declared...

    A guy robbed a bank laster Thursday on Hilton Head Island. Made me late for work... They had a check point where the cops looked in all of our cars. Didnt stop us, but looked in one by one to make sure the suspect was not in the car. He was labaled as "Armed with a handgun and Bomb".... So, same kind of deal....

    Did it bother me that I was stuck in traffic and they looked into my window from 3 feet away. Didnt stop any of us... No, that didnt bother me. I knew some sh** was popping off. But on the other hand, had they not found the guy and started going door to door entering homes until "They found their guy"... yeah, then i would have had a HUGE problem....

    Law enforcement has to do their jobs, but some bad guys just simply get away... And getting these people "By any means unnecessary" is not the way to go for me... I mean, we had to *****foot around for 10 years to properly seize Bin laden... Maybe we should have just sent the Boston PD after him.... They would have marched right into Pakistan from the jump and handled that business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    The PD responded after the homeowner called to report somebody under the tarp. search didn"t find him.
    Still not clear how the search would have been more limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    The PD responded after the homeowner called to report somebody under the tarp. search didn"t find him.
    Very true... They had already completed the search of that home and had moved on. They NEVER would have returned to that location, rather they would have continued the manhunt into surrounding communities... So that is a very good point. The citizens found the suspect. Not law enforcement or the use of Martial Law... Good old fashion community watch.... It was only a matter of time before ANYONE IN THE NATION would have seen this guy and turned him in. Yes, could he have hurt more people? Maybe if he had a master plan, but this guy could walk into any establishment in the nation to by smokes or a lighter without getting lit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    I'm with you. And under martial law, thats what they did. I am saying martial law was unnecessary. Seldom Seen made a better point that what I had stated. That is a perfect example... I have pets too. My dog does NOT like strangers. I can't even let the maintenance man in while im not at home for the fear that he may let the dog out, or somehow get attacked. My dog has never attacked anyone, which isn't the point. But that is one of those 100 different reasons why that is not a proper plan of action...

    I mean, a man-hunt for one person turns into Martial Law in Boston? It just seems like Red Dawn or some bad movie... You should not put civilians at risk in ANY way. Not their belongings, their pets, their personal property. Nothing. Its not worth it.... Now if the North Koreans had just invaded boston, maybe Martial law is imminent, but to go to Martial law because of a teenager with a gun... Thats an overkill.

    Its just troublesome that at the drop of a hat, Martial Law was declared...

    A guy robbed a bank laster Thursday on Hilton Head Island. Made me late for work... They had a check point where the cops looked in all of our cars. Didnt stop us, but looked in one by one to make sure the suspect was not in the car. He was labaled as "Armed with a handgun and Bomb".... So, same kind of deal....

    Did it bother me that I was stuck in traffic and they looked into my window from 3 feet away. Didnt stop any of us... No, that didnt bother me. I knew some sh** was popping off. But on the other hand, had they not found the guy and started going door to door entering homes until "They found their guy"... yeah, then i would have had a HUGE problem....

    Law enforcement has to do their jobs, but some bad guys just simply get away... And getting these people "By any means unnecessary" is not the way to go for me... I mean, we had to *****foot around for 10 years to properly seize Bin laden... Maybe we should have just sent the Boston PD after him.... They would have marched right into Pakistan from the jump and handled that business.
    I am not a fan of martial law or excessive use of police authority, but I also make a conscious decision not to live in places like New York or Boston. When you have a large population of people involved, things tend to get a little out of hand. It happened in Chicago a lot while I lived there, and many lawsuits were filed against the Chicago PD. What is the end answer to this sort of issue? I am not sure, and I am glad I never have to figure it out.

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    They were not putting civilians at risk. They were removing them from the risk before they entered the homes. Those silly "conspiracy sites" say they were arresting innocent civilians in their homes. It's just not true.

    You can take your dog out with you... In fact the cops most likely asked people to take their dogs out.

    A guy that robbed a bank is not the "same kind of deal." There is a huge difference between a theif and a person targeting civilians to Kill. No?

    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    I'm with you. And under martial law, thats what they did. I am saying martial law was unnecessary. Seldom Seen made a better point that what I had stated. That is a perfect example... I have pets too. My dog does NOT like strangers. I can't even let the maintenance man in while im not at home for the fear that he may let the dog out, or somehow get attacked. My dog has never attacked anyone, which isn't the point. But that is one of those 100 different reasons why that is not a proper plan of action...

    I mean, a man-hunt for one person turns into Martial Law in Boston? It just seems like Red Dawn or some bad movie... You should not put civilians at risk in ANY way. Not their belongings, their pets, their personal property. Nothing. Its not worth it.... Now if the North Koreans had just invaded boston, maybe Martial law is imminent, but to go to Martial law because of a teenager with a gun... Thats an overkill.

    Its just troublesome that at the drop of a hat, Martial Law was declared...

    A guy robbed a bank laster Thursday on Hilton Head Island. Made me late for work... They had a check point where the cops looked in all of our cars. Didnt stop us, but looked in one by one to make sure the suspect was not in the car. He was labaled as "Armed with a handgun and Bomb".... So, same kind of deal....

    Did it bother me that I was stuck in traffic and they looked into my window from 3 feet away. Didnt stop any of us... No, that didnt bother me. I knew some sh** was popping off. But on the other hand, had they not found the guy and started going door to door entering homes until "They found their guy"... yeah, then i would have had a HUGE problem....

    Law enforcement has to do their jobs, but some bad guys just simply get away... And getting these people "By any means unnecessary" is not the way to go for me... I mean, we had to *****foot around for 10 years to properly seize Bin laden... Maybe we should have just sent the Boston PD after him.... They would have marched right into Pakistan from the jump and handled that business.

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    So......... what the Boston Metro dudes did to find Dazoharkarharhar T-SAV was wrong because it hints at martial law?

    So, I reckon they should have just gone on as normal and told the normal beat cops, " Hey by the way if you see this dude check him oot." ??? No big deal, man.

    And I assume many Boston metro people are armed and I guess they should have just shot any dude that looked like Dazoharkarharhar T-Sav?

    Wow, what are you guys doing on Swellinfo? Y'all should be running our country. You guys know how to handle bombings and major manhunts........All been to Harvard to study the constitution.......watch Alex Jones........

    Oh surfingwasteland dude, so neither side is correct, huh? What does that leave? I doubt you are more intelligent than any of the participants in this discussion, both sides. We challenge you to a knowledge bowl.

    Now, I don't find fault at how the events were handled at Boston. And yes, I think those dudes did it. But, this may surprise some of you but I am no fan of the government and have wanted to become a friendly righteous dictator of this land for some time....

    Freedom dudes........how aboot this: Driving is not a privelege(man I just can't spell that word). It should be a right as a free American. You guys should be upset at drivers liscenses, tags, registration, inspections.........Man truck that. That ain't freedom. Cars are just a good way to keep tabs on people and initiate police intereference by pull-overs...

    Man The Drug War..........Oh come on............That's Freedom?

    Everytime a white girl gets killed, they adopt laws pertaining to the circumstance of her death........Really, Americans can't cross a street without pedestrian laws......

    Man, Erock wants to build some **** on his house and a shed.....He's got to get building permits??? Man,,,,,that ain't freedom....

    I love prostitutes...........but I can't legally get them here.......Man, that ain't freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    They were not putting civilians at risk. They were removing them from the risk before they entered the homes. Those silly "conspiracy sites" say they were arresting innocent civilians in their homes. It's just not true.

    You can take your dog out with you... In fact the cops most likely asked people to take their dogs out.

    A guy that robbed a bank is not the "same kind of deal." There is a huge difference between a theif and a person targeting civilians to Kill. No?
    I am not trying to buy into conspiracy. I don't believe that anyone was arrested etc. That isn't my concern really.

    As far as the bank robber, yes, its the same kind of deal. No he didn't detonate a bomb in public, but he threatened to. He walked in the BOA, filled with civilians and threatened to shoot the place up and detonate a bomb inside, so as far as I am concerned, he should have been handled with the same expectations as the bombers did. You must assume when dealing with these kind of people that they are in fact capable of doing what they intend to do....

    And as far as removing the civilians from harms way... As the final facts of this situation played out, there was in fact ZERO danger inside anyone's homes. The kid never entered anyone's home. Period. So I am not sure what intel they had, but I am sure they believed that he may have. But he didn't. He was never in a home. No one in the neighborhood was "in danger". The kid could have held people at gun point, or kicked down doors, but he didn't. He was hiding like the coward that he is.

    So telling families to leave their homes while the authorities sweep the house, and the closets and any other possible locations.... what kind of "safety" did they really offer any of those people? A possible standoff while they stood in the front yard. Initiating a conflict with a suspect inside someones home, filled with their personal belongings? Keeps sakes? In doing this, they very well could have pushed him to entering a home with force. A million different things could have happened, but in the end i DO NOT believe that the people in that neighborhood were put into a safer situation by martial law and being removed from their homes to be searched. I mean, its not Nazi germany in the 40s. Its Boston in 2013. A simple: "Hey, is everyone in your home accounted for? Yes. Any crazy bombers break in? No. Blink your eyes twice if you are being put up to these statements... Thank you for your time." Move on.... Rest and repeat...

    But again, community watch caught the suspect. Martial law failed as the authorities overlooked the suspect and allowed him to sneak right back into a now "secure" area... Not very secure since they completely missed the guy and with choppers and a million guys on the ground, this kid snuck right past them back into the secured area while they continued entering home, thus producing nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddington Jetty Bear View Post
    Oh surfingwasteland dude, so neither side is correct, huh? What does that leave? I doubt you are more intelligent than any of the participants in this discussion, both sides. We challenge you to a knowledge bowl.
    Now that was funny, better hope the BCS doesn't have anything to do with it though, otherwise you're getting the Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas.