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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    You say cutbacks since 2009. NAFTA was singned in 1994. Tell me than what happened in Detroit? Cuz what your saying no auto plants have been shut down there. I guess the auto plant in Linden NJ didnt shut down either and that my buddy that worked there for 25 years still has a job.Besides you are avoiding how this conjecture started in the first place. Things are not better in this country compared to 30 years ago. The # of people on food stamps has quadrupled in 10 years. You've only been in the auto industry for 10 years. What about before that. I don't care how Roy makes his money and if it's the free market, than tell me how it became free. Tell me if it benefits the child slave labor. Tell me where all the stuff in WalMart and Target come from. Tell me how the free market creates jobs in this country for the average American. Manufacturing jobs. Not minimum wage service jobs.
    I didn't make claims on how positive the free market is. That is your fellow conspiracy theorist Roy. He says we are a communist country and holding back capitalism, yet ignores the wealth distribution stating otherwise. I still don't agree with your assessment of the auto industry. I think the unions, poor management, poor quality, and lack of technological advancements really hit the auto industry. The fact remains that they are bouncing back. http://www.dol.gov/autocommunities/blog.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    I didn't make claims on how positive the free market is. That is your fellow conspiracy theorist Roy. He says we are a communist country and holding back capitalism, yet ignores the wealth distribution stating otherwise. I still don't agree with your assessment of the auto industry. I think the unions, poor management, poor quality, and lack of technological advancements really hit the auto industry. The fact remains that they are bouncing back. http://www.dol.gov/autocommunities/blog.htm
    Well I can see your coming to some sense. You might have some valid points about the auto industry, but sending an American company overseas does not help our economy at all, it only benefits GM execs and their share holders.you were wrong about Roy. He said America is Faciast and sadly it has become that way. You can't argue there. He also said the EU is communist, and in many ways it is. The countries have lost their sovegrnty through the formation of the EU alliance and its monetary system.the public is at the mercy of a few individuals who own the global banks.
    Good TalkIng

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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    Well I can see your coming to some sense. You might have some valid points about the auto industry, but sending an American company overseas does not help our economy at all, it only benefits GM execs and their share holders.you were wrong about Roy. He said America is Faciast and sadly it has become that way. You can't argue there. He also said the EU is communist, and in many ways it is. The countries have lost their sovegrnty through the formation of the EU alliance and its monetary system.the public is at the mercy of a few individuals who own the global banks.
    Good TalkIng
    Roy says we are facist, communist, anti capitalism, etc...
    If anything, we are too capitalistic. We let the rich and big financial corporations have their way, no matter what the cost. I don't think we are facist either. I am free to do what I want, when I want, and how I want. If you want true fascism, spend some time in China.

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    Sorry but China is communist.

    Perhaps you don't understand what fascism is? It is the merging of state and corporate power. Of course there are similarities between communism and fascism, and ultimately left vs right is meaningless when taken to extremes, but still there is a difference between communism and fascism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post

    I didn't make claims on how positive the free market is. That is your fellow conspiracy theorist Roy.
    You are making quite a habit of saying that I have written things which I have not.

    Where did I say that a free market is positive? You seem to be deducing this from my comment that you live in a fascist state but it can't be deduced from that.


    He says we are a communist country and holding back capitalism
    I said neither.

    Do not misquote me.

    When one attributes a statement to someone which they have not made and then proceed to attack their supposed opinion it is known as the 'straw man' tactic and is an unsound and illogical error in argument.

    Learning to think should be the most important part of education, but it is neglected almost entirely, with the sort of result which you are posting, and worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    Roy says we are facist, communist, anti capitalism, etc...
    If anything, we are too capitalistic. We let the rich and big financial corporations have their way, no matter what the cost. I don't think we are facist either. I am free to do what I want, when I want, and how I want. If you want true fascism, spend some time in China.
    Faciasim as defined by Musollini himself is the merger of government and corporations. The fact that our politicians except money from private interest for campaign funding makes them indebted to those interests once they get into office. Look up ALEC. The American Legislative Exchange Council. Also Obama recently signed the Monsanto Protection Act. This law gives Monsanto immunity from any law. Banker bailouts. The list goes on. You are right, we are corrupted by private institutions but you failed to recognize Faciasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    Roy says we are facist, communist, anti capitalism, etc...
    If anything, we are too capitalistic. We let the rich and big financial corporations have their way, no matter what the cost. I don't think we are facist either. I am free to do what I want, when I want, and how I want. If you want true fascism, spend some time in China.
    here's proof that Europe is on its way to becoming a full fledged communist region. please listen with an open mind. there is strength in numbers.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK8RHQqc4AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    Faciasim as defined by Musollini himself is the merger of government and corporations. The fact that our politicians except money from private interest for campaign funding makes them indebted to those interests once they get into office. Look up ALEC. The American Legislative Exchange Council. Also Obama recently signed the Monsanto Protection Act. This law gives Monsanto immunity from any law. Banker bailouts. The list goes on. You are right, we are corrupted by private institutions but you failed to recognize Faciasm.
    Maybe you should read the definition. There is a lot more to fascism than you guys seem to realize.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

    Here is the origin:
    Fascism (pron.: /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in mid-20th century Europe. Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that promotes the mass mobilization of the national community,[3][4] relying on a vanguard party to initiate a revolution to organize the nation on fascist principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    here's proof that Europe is on its way to becoming a full fledged communist region. please listen with an open mind. there is strength in numbers.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK8RHQqc4AM
    Please, find some proof that doesn't come from youtube. It is not a source of anything but opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Stuart View Post
    You are making quite a habit of saying that I have written things which I have not.

    Where did I say that a free market is positive? You seem to be deducing this from my comment that you live in a fascist state but it can't be deduced from that.



    I said neither.

    Do not misquote me.

    When one attributes a statement to someone which they have not made and then proceed to attack their supposed opinion it is known as the 'straw man' tactic and is an unsound and illogical error in argument.

    Learning to think should be the most important part of education, but it is neglected almost entirely, with the sort of result which you are posting, and worse.
    Maybe you should go back and read your Roy Stuart surfboard threads where you claim we are communists for being against your million dollar boards.
    I enjoy your little snide remarks. Maybe you should stick to pretending you are an artist, instead of debating tin foil hat videos. Also, I would appreciate it if you didn't spam every surf forum with your boards. Not one person in this community, or any other surf forum, will be purchasing your yachts. I know what you are doing. More spam equals more google search returns and free advertising.