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    Right or Left

    And I dont mean waves...

    Im not asking what side you are on. I am asking your thoughts on both sides... Since so many recent threads have turned into political rants, I figured I would just start an honest thread about it.

    I would venture to guess that there are more on this site to the left than to the right, but I would say I have seen a pretty mixed bag of opinions on what separates the two.

    After a republican bashing thread that I was reading recently, I feel the need to say this:

    I think both sides, left and right have become something that they did not intend for.

    Right wing is about keeping money on american soil, keeping illegal immigration out, keeping government regulations out of business, capitalism and allowing entrepreneurs and small business' to reap the benefits of their ideas and innovations, while not penalizing them for success.

    Left wing is all about so called "equality" for all. Heathcare for all. And turning our government into a regulatory system that provides services for all citizens, employed or unemployed. They handed out billions of dollars to an industry that failed our nation and destroyed our economy, while asking the working class to pick up the tab, rather than letting capitalism thrive and allowing these corrupt, inefficient banks and corporations to fail and file chapter 11 across the board, allowing the few honest, successful banks and businesses to pick up the tabs and the loans and reap the benefits of proper business. Instead we are back to square one...

    In my opinion, the Right wing does not consist of either super-weathly busines tycoons trying to hoard their money or lowly blue collar workers that are in the bottom tier of income classifications, who still fight for guns and freedom...

    That is a misconception. As a 30 year old white male in this nation, who paid for his own education, worked every day since he was 18, including through college, has never purchased anything that was out of his means, and never took out a home loan with a floating interest rate on a 600,000 2 bedroom condo in San Diego like everyone else did....

    In my opinion, most of us on this site fall into my category. The forgotten. Im not rich and Im not poor. I have never taken a handout because I dont need to. I pay for my own health insurance for myself and my family, because that is my responsibility as a man, a father and as a citizen... I have never gotten a scholarship for the color of my skin. I have never gotten a job to fill a quota spot either.

    In a different day in age, I would proabably be on the left wing too, but I am sick and tired of hearing about equality for all and socialized medical care and all these different ideas that DONT COCNERN ME... Its hard to support a cause when it NEVER and I mean NEVER involves me... The left is always about supporting "IDEAS" that dont concern me.

    Do I think everyone in America should have health care? No. Not at all. Until our already terrible healthcare system gets broken down the way it should and fixed, we dont need to pack more weight onto it, so these insurance companies and healthcare companies continue to bludgeon the public over astronomical costs... The amount of wastes testing, wastes materials, paperwork, going through 18 different entities to process all this crap. Our healthcare system is BROKEN... So if you can't afford it, you dont get it. Sorry... The ER will take you in if you ever have a serious issue. Or get state assistance like everyone in SC does... There are options...

    But if you don't pay into this sh**, you shouldn't get it. Its like the bank bail outs. Its just going hand in hand with more corruption. Giving health insurance and healthcare companies more money to waste, and pocket and expand... Handing over a government monopoly... &$*# that... Just write another Blank check to Bank of America, Wells Fargo and the other guys again why dont you, instead of making them pay for their losses....

    American jobs would have been lost? Sorry, but good. We don't need collection call centers for these bank churning out labor hours 2000 deep 24 hours per day. We dont need 785 bank branches within a 4 mile radius... Those jobs probably never should have been created, but with a bloated economy, they just started dumping cash out everywhere they could... Stirke while the iron is hot... Well its cold now, and you all got saved...

    So, I love the ocean, I love nature, I want people to live happy lives, so I dont really care about social issues like Gay Marriage and stuff anymore. I dont really care about guns either... I want the ability to own one at will, but I care not about any of this sh**....

    I just care about my spending, always going up up up.... While other peoples spending goes down down down. Because they simple take what is "owed to them" for being a living breathing american...

    The state of this country is poor at best. And its not the government's fault. Its the PEOPLES fault...

    Watch what happens in 2014, when every company in america cuts hours down under 30 per week and they start firing people so they can make adjustments for "ObamaCare".... All these people on the left, well not all, but plenty dont care. They arent working 30 hours per week anyway.

    I am not a wealthy business owner, YET, but I work for one. And it is my direct responsibilities to manage an enormous staff and consider all of these factors... What do you think I am going to have to do when it comes down to it... Answer to the wealthy, who are not going to go down without a fight about this stuff...

    Im just saying, Papa Johns aint the only one. Its going to be EVERY small or large business in this country... Its not going to be pretty.
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    So what is your point? There is a saying, if you cannot make your point in 5 minutes, you do not have one.....and that took longer than 5 minutes to write.

    BTW, you make some valid observations....not knocking what you said. This can be very frustrating and I have asked many of the same questions. In the end, I act locally and get involved with the community I live in....because I simply do not care about some ghetto project or wealthy guy's tax bracket. It has nothing to do with my family or friends and no matter what I do, I will never have an impact. I do care about the wars we are fighting and the treatment of the soldiers as I think our country is failing them on all fronts...and they DESERVE/DEMAND better treatment. I guess I do not really have a point either except to act locally.

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    I guess my point is. I work hard every day, always have. I pay my taxes. I pay my debts. I paid for my education. I take care of my family and purchase health care. I don't want other people getting things that I work very hard for on my tab....

    I guess that makes me a conservative right winger.

    Because social equality doesn't concern me. A straight, 30 year old married white man will not benefit from gay marriage, gun laws, socialized health care, affirmative action or pretty much ANYTHING on the left wings agenda... It literally does not matter to me.

    Im just sicking of being told to vote or make decisions based on sh** that benefits a lot of other people, but never including me. Its happened my entire life. Since I was a kid this country has been that way. Every 2-4 years, people shove ideas down our throats, but why is it, in my adult life no one has EVER been looking out for me. There was never a "Lets help pay the hard working white guys college loans off because the banks are defaulting" initiative... Its always some BS for somebody else. There are no "Lets help the people who werent stupid and didn't take out bad loans by giving them a great deal on a home loan" first time buyer program...

    And while I dont agree with everything on the right, I care way more about what they are preaching than the other guys. Its not the 50s anymore. Everyone has been on the same level playing field for a LONG TIME now... I really dont care about everyone elses social concerns. Grow up and take care of your own lives. We have been relegated to voting on nothing but BULLSH**. Prior to the Obama admin, we had to base all of our decisions on WAR and defense.. its always something either way to deter from sh** that really matters.

    Nobody in this country needs anymore hand outs. We are already bleeding to death. Make it stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    I guess my point is. I work hard every day, always have. I pay my taxes. I pay my debts. I paid for my education. I take care of my family and purchase health care. I don't want other people getting things that I work very hard for on my tab....

    I guess that makes me a conservative right winger.
    Actually you sound like a libertarian. The modern right wingers sound more and more like they all come from money. That very distant from the hard working, middle class, regular guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Because social equality doesn't concern me. A straight, 30 year old married white man will not benefit from gay marriage, gun laws, socialized health care, affirmative action or pretty much ANYTHING on the left wings agenda... It literally does not matter to me.
    Those are some of the negatives, but the left also supports medical research, space exploration, and many other scientific studies that could benefit you. Unfortunately, Obama panders to both sides so much, we are getting a mix of negative actions, without much of the positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Nobody in this country needs anymore hand outs. We are already bleeding to death. Make it stop.
    True, and the wealthy don't need tax breaks. Both sides are guilty here, and the hard working middle class always gets the shaft. Aside from my anger about that, social programs still take up a very small portion of the overall spending in this country. What we really spend too much on is wars and defense. Our country has a bad reputation in the international scene, and both parties keep making it worse. We need to stop fighting wars and work with allies for other solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    True, and the wealthy don't need tax breaks. Both sides are guilty here, and the hard working middle class always gets the shaft. Aside from my anger about that, social programs still take up a very small portion of the overall spending in this country. What we really spend too much on is wars and defense. Our country has a bad reputation in the international scene, and both parties keep making it worse. We need to stop fighting wars and work with allies for other solutions.
    Yes, I agree on a personal level, that "the rich" dont deserve tax breaks... However, there is way more to it than that. Most "wealthy" individuals own businesses and are a HUGE portion of our economy. Most people arent born rich, they aquire wealth. So when you DONT give small to mid-sized companies, which are owned by the wealthy, tax breaks for doing business and driving the economy, the "wealthy" stop spending. When Uncle sam doesnt give them tax breaks, they keep the money anyway and start laying people off. Its the trickle down effect.

    The rich and poor are directly connect with most of us right in the middle... But when you are in the middle, and the guys above you get axed by the government, its coming out of our paychecks... The rich will STAY rich no matter what... Its just much better for the middle class when the rich are getting richer... It when the rich start getting less rich and the poor start getting less poor that the middle class suffers on both sides. Lower wages, longer hours, more production out of less people so the rich can make up for their losses by labor cuts and the money chopped off the top goes right back underneath you in government handouts...

    When the rich get less rich and the poor get less poor, we take the brunt of it... Not them.

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    I would say 9 out of 10 of us that dont work for the government on here work for someone who is wealthy one way or another. Whether its your boss, or the owner of your company or business... So we directly answer to them... And when they get tax breaks at the end of the year, that is where bonuses come from and the trickle down effects start working... When the rich make more money, they are more likely to spread the wealth downward internally. I would much rather $500,000 in a tax break be in my owner's hand than back into the governments hands to distribute at will... At least the money will be well spent within our own business and local economy to protect my job and the wellbeing of the business... They same goes for everyone...

    When your boss losses money, taxed or not, you will lose money too. No matter what... I trust money in the business owners hands, not the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    I would say 9 out of 10 of us that dont work for the government on here work for someone who is wealthy one way or another. Whether its your boss, or the owner of your company or business... So we directly answer to them... And when they get tax breaks at the end of the year, that is where bonuses come from and the trickle down effects start working... When the rich make more money, they are more likely to spread the wealth downward internally. I would much rather $500,000 in a tax break be in my owner's hand than back into the governments hands to distribute at will... At least the money will be well spent within our own business and local economy to protect my job and the wellbeing of the business... They same goes for everyone...

    When your boss losses money, taxed or not, you will lose money too. No matter what... I trust money in the business owners hands, not the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    I would say 9 out of 10 of us that dont work for the government on here work for someone who is wealthy one way or another. Whether its your boss, or the owner of your company or business... So we directly answer to them... And when they get tax breaks at the end of the year, that is where bonuses come from and the trickle down effects start working... When the rich make more money, they are more likely to spread the wealth downward internally. I would much rather $500,000 in a tax break be in my owner's hand than back into the governments hands to distribute at will... At least the money will be well spent within our own business and local economy to protect my job and the wellbeing of the business... They same goes for everyone...

    When your boss losses money, taxed or not, you will lose money too. No matter what... I trust money in the business owners hands, not the government.
    I don't agree with that, and it is showing in the country's wealth distribution. The rich are making more money than ever before, while the middle class struggles to make ends meet. The rich people do not keep the economy afloat, that is what the consumers do. Most of the consumers are middle class, as we make up the largest population. Tax breaks for the wealthy seldom end up equally more money or jobs for the middle class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post

    Because social equality doesn't concern me. A straight, 30 year old married white man will not benefit from gay marriage, gun laws, socialized health care, affirmative action or pretty much ANYTHING on the left wings agenda... It literally does not matter to me.
    This is a sad commentary that somewhat illustrates a problem....just because it concern you directly, doesn't mean it doesn't concern millions of other around the US. And it could easily be argued that in the long term ALL of those thing will affect you, perhaps you may even benefit from it (I.E. Gay Marriage= more monogamy = less AIDS spread = lower healthcare costs across the board) just an example, but you get the point.