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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    Lee, what is your occupation and how old are you? Please show some pics of you surfing. I'm sure you shred or wait were you called out for being a poseur.
    Wait, so who's right in the political arena will now be determined by who's the better surfer?

    Anybody got a waterproof camera I can borrow?

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    This thread is badly in need of a happy hour drink and some causal conversation about babes and playoffs and spring. Oh wait....thats what I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrich View Post
    Where did I say any of this was fine with me? You say you've read all these studies and spout various vague statistics about illegal immigration. I take 2 minutes to look into one of these so called statistics and find that you were completely wrong. In the future, if you going to say things like, "Stats show...", make sure they actually show that. Again, your undermining yourself when you say something and anyone who is willing to take 2 minutes to look into it can find that it's not true.
    Did you read the article slick? It showed the stats I talked about. Actually, the cost of illegals was higher in this article than what I said. I read a lot on illegals but I don't keep a bibliography. As you can see, the article showed the problem with anchor babies and how it's killing hospitals. Education and prison costs are ridiculuous too. Let's all hold hands and save the world. Let's all make these criminals citizens. Why should I folllow the law when these people don't follow any of the laws? They break the law crossing our border. They break the law by having too many people occupy a rental which violates code enforcement laws. They drive without licenses and insurance. They steal SSNs and identities. The list goes on and on. The problem is that they are never held accountable until they kill someone while they are driving drunk without a license. Then, they are finally deported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    Did you read the article slick? It showed the stats I talked about. Actually, the cost of illegals was higher in this article than what I said. I read a lot on illegals but I don't keep a bibliography. As you can see, the article showed the problem with anchor babies and how it's killing hospitals. Education and prison costs are ridiculuous too. Let's all hold hands and save the world. Let's all make these criminals citizens. Why should I folllow the law when these people don't follow any of the laws? They break the law crossing our border. They break the law by having too many people occupy a rental which violates code enforcement laws. They drive without licenses and insurance. They steal SSNs and identities. The list goes on and on. The problem is that they are never held accountable until they kill someone while they are driving drunk without a license. Then, they are finally deported.
    All of them do these things?

    And I'm sorry, but you've noted many other "facts" from various studies and articles for which you have not provided support.

    Regardless, I'm not trying to derail this thread into a discussion about illegals. We can start a separate thread about that if you want and you can post up all of your readings on illegals and how they are solely responsible for destroying the country. Like I said, it's an issue. Would you like to offer up a more realistic suggestion than deporting all of them? Think about the logistics of that. Are you just going to have the police start asking for ID from anybody who is brown and if they can't provide it, first bus to Mexico? Welcome to Nazi America.

    To be honest and try to get this thread back on track, I tend to lean to the right politically, but do not agree with much of what the Republican party has said or done in recent history. I'm for less government in my life, more personal responsibility. I think a flat tax would be ideal, but will probably never happen, so if it has to be progressive, let's lower the marginal rates and eliminate ALL deductions. I don't think we should be influencing decisions with tax policy. Same with corporate taxes - 20-25% with no deductions.

    Socially, as long as you're responsible and not infringing on other's rights I don't care what you do. So if you're gay and want to get married, be my guest. Religion has no business legislating social policy in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    Nice deflection but you avoided the question. Why so many exemptions?
    Not deflecting, you're just harping on a minor issue....I'm showing you the macro-view of it....we can sit here and pinpoint irregularities or hypocrisy of both parties if you pull out the microscope....The overall health of the economy and healthcare industry profits are both on the upswing...so whats the problem?

    Nothing's perfect my friend, especially in politics, but to harp on exemptions when it comes to Obamacare and ignore the infinite amount of corporate tax exemptions is a bit one sided...you're essentially beef in that poor, uneducated people are bleeding us dry...but I'd beg to differ....

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articl...aks.aspx#page1

    Combine corporate tax breaks of $180 billion last year and the ultra-inflated military budget...you're talking big money...

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/...l_fy12bs12012n

    Read between the lines my friend, you are so concerned about low level healthcare exemption yet have no problem pouring tax dollars into and inflated military and allowing the corporate tax rate to be butchered to death with "exemptions" and loopholes....this even bring up another argument....the greatest joke in American politics....Reaganomics. (i.e. trickle down taxation)

    By Reagan's logic, the lower the corporate tax rate the more money they have to hire and research, yet starting in Januray 2008 corporate tax rates were slashed and yet unemployment rose significantly and corporate profits followed suit. You, seem to like Reagan, as did I, when I was 18 and naive. However, a little research into issues such as: Iran Contra, Inslaw Affair, and the Saving and Loan Scandal, may open your eyes a bit, but I doubt it.

    Look, I'm a registered LIB, so def not an Obama supporter, but I still can't let you get away with grossly blaming him for all that is wrong in your life. Once again, most people are making money right now (especially the Health Insurance companies you empathize with so much) so whats the problem...some low income citizen exemptions that are dwarfed by the corporate and military machine? Idk seems illogical to me...but what the hell do I know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrich View Post
    All of them do these things?

    And I'm sorry, but you've noted many other "facts" from various studies and articles for which you have not provided support.

    Regardless, I'm not trying to derail this thread into a discussion about illegals. We can start a separate thread about that if you want and you can post up all of your readings on illegals and how they are solely responsible for destroying the country. Like I said, it's an issue. Would you like to offer up a more realistic suggestion than deporting all of them? Think about the logistics of that. Are you just going to have the police start asking for ID from anybody who is brown and if they can't provide it, first bus to Mexico? Welcome to Nazi America.

    To be honest and try to get this thread back on track, I tend to lean to the right politically, but do not agree with much of what the Republican party has said or done in recent history. I'm for less government in my life, more personal responsibility. I think a flat tax would be ideal, but will probably never happen, so if it has to be progressive, let's lower the marginal rates and eliminate ALL deductions. I don't think we should be influencing decisions with tax policy. Same with corporate taxes - 20-25% with no deductions.

    Socially, as long as you're responsible and not infringing on other's rights I don't care what you do. So if you're gay and want to get married, be my guest. Religion has no business legislating social policy in this country.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...91K01A20130221

    The majority of Americans want them deported. A democracy does what the people want. Is government listening to the people. We say deport them!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    Lee, what is your occupation and how old are you? Please show some pics of you surfing. I'm sure you shred or wait were you called out for being a poseur.
    big difference between being called a poseur and being called out on being a poseur.

    Have you forgotten? I don't owe you anything. I'm 27 and I babysit a computer all day. No food stamps here. Whole foods or GTFO.
    Last edited by leethestud; May 10, 2013 at 02:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrels4liam View Post
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...91K01A20130221

    The majority of Americans want them deported. A democracy does what the people want. Is government listening to the people. We say deport them!!
    #1, Contrary to popular opinion (and a reflection of our outstanding public school system), the US is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic, so you will have to get your elected officials to pass some kind of legislation for wholesale deportation.

    #2, the article you cite is a poll, not a vote. It is a poll of 1,443 people. Surely representative of all the views of some 300 million Americans.

    Either way, if you want to continue this discussion, please start a thread about illegals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrich View Post
    #1, Contrary to popular opinion (and a reflection of our outstanding public school system), the US is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic, so you will have to get your elected officials to pass some kind of legislation for wholesale deportation.

    #2, the article you cite is a poll, not a vote. It is a poll of 1,443 people. Surely representative of all the views of some 300 million Americans.

    Either way, if you want to continue this discussion, please start a thread about illegals.
    Yes we are a republic which doesn't serve the people anymore. It's bought out by corporations. It should represent the majority and deport illegals. Polls are usually very accurate. There should be a vote as you say though. That will show the people's will just like it did in Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leethestud View Post
    big difference between being called a poseur and being called out on being a poseur.

    Have you forgotten? I don't owe you anything. I'm 27 and I babysit a computer all day. No food stamps here. Whole foods or GTFO.
    True. You don't owe me anything. We just have different opinions.