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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    the evidence you give to the primordial soup theory does not prove anything. it only proves that the building blocks for life can be formed like I said in my last post and don't disagree with.

    your evidence does not support those building blocks coming to life.

    like I said I respect your belief. but science and man can not explain the creation of the universe and all the processes for the creation of energy, which is what we essentially are, and the formation of energy into consciousness.
    Did you not read the articles? We have basically created artificial living bacteria cells from the building blocks. We are just one step away. Living cells are life. We can create artificial bacterial, but just need to make it to the next phase, where the bacterial reproduces and evolves on its own.
    There is a lot of research and theories into the creation of the universe and energy. Many of them have a lot of evidence. Like I said, at least science is looking for the answers and sticking to evidence, while admitting mistakes. Religion and theology tells you they have all the answers and don't care to actually back it up with proof.
    Here is a good read: http://www.technologyreview.com/view...-a-black-hole/
    We can't rule out god all together in the start of the whole process (with our current knowledge), but we are working towards explaining the process and how it happens in nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    Did you not read the articles? We have basically created artificial living bacteria cells from the building blocks. We are just one step away. Living cells are life. We can create artificial bacterial, but just need to make it to the next phase, where the bacterial reproduces and evolves on its own.
    There is a lot of research and theories into the creation of the universe and energy. Many of them have a lot of evidence. Like I said, at least science is looking for the answers and sticking to evidence, while admitting mistakes. Religion and theology tells you they have all the answers and don't care to actually back it up with proof.
    Here is a good read: http://www.technologyreview.com/view...-a-black-hole/
    We can't rule out god all together in the start of the whole process (with our current knowledge), but we are working towards explaining the process and how it happens in nature.
    read this book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    like I said the vaccine debate can go on forever.
    Sure, if you want to ignore data.

    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    your chart shows morbidity rates since the introduction of vaccines. it does not show their effectiveness. a lot of what the chart might shows might be because of advanced medical care and treatment of infectious disease.
    Um, no. If you research the topic on sites not affiliated with tin foil hat theories, you could find a plethora of data showing effectiveness.


    Just a couple in my 1 min google search.

    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    I don't fear vaccines, I just don't want to be injected with such things as aborted monkey and human fetal tissue cells.
    Proof that all vaccines contain these things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    Did you not read the articles? We have basically created artificial living bacteria cells from the building blocks. We are just one step away. Living cells are life. We can create artificial bacterial, but just need to make it to the next phase, where the bacterial reproduces and evolves on its own.
    There is a lot of research and theories into the creation of the universe and energy. Many of them have a lot of evidence. Like I said, at least science is looking for the answers and sticking to evidence, while admitting mistakes. Religion and theology tells you they have all the answers and don't care to actually back it up with proof.
    Here is a good read: http://www.technologyreview.com/view...-a-black-hole/
    We can't rule out god all together in the start of the whole process (with our current knowledge), but we are working towards explaining the process and how it happens in nature.
    yeah I read the articles. making cells with computers differs greatly from primordial soup.

    as far as the creation of the universe from black holes is all based on theory.

    what or who created the black hole? energy to consciousness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    Sounds very interesting. I will have to check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    yeah I read the articles. making cells with computers differs greatly from primordial soup.

    as far as the creation of the universe from black holes is all based on theory.

    what or who created the black hole? energy to consciousness?
    You obviously only read one.
    "So what we’ve tried to do in my lab is to engineer all inorganic cells to see if we can put these features together. So by using molybdenum or tungsten oxides, we’ve been able to make very large clusters containing many hundreds of units. But not only that. We can have different building blocks templating the clusters. So we almost have an analogy to DNA, RNA and proteins in the clusters built in. So the question now is, can we get this system to boot up to replicate and evolve? And for that, you need to watch the space. "

    This is what creates black holes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_h..._and_evolution
    More info: http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resou...ackground.html

    I can't tell you what created the first black hole, or that there ever was a first. What I can tell you, is that if we just rely on theological faith based beliefs, we will never look for the answers to your questions. Thus, we have the danger in teacher religion as an absolute.

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    The Otters were right, Allied Athiest Alliance makes the most sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    You obviously only read one.
    "So what we’ve tried to do in my lab is to engineer all inorganic cells to see if we can put these features together. So by using molybdenum or tungsten oxides, we’ve been able to make very large clusters containing many hundreds of units. But not only that. We can have different building blocks templating the clusters. So we almost have an analogy to DNA, RNA and proteins in the clusters built in. So the question now is, can we get this system to boot up to replicate and evolve? And for that, you need to watch the space. "

    This is what creates black holes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_h..._and_evolution
    More info: http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resou...ackground.html

    I can't tell you what created the first black hole, or that there ever was a first. What I can tell you, is that if we just rely on theological faith based beliefs, we will never look for the answers to your questions. Thus, we have the danger in teacher religion as an absolute.
    yeah I read the article. creating artificial bacteria in a controlled environment aided by computers that are manipulated by man differs greatly from primordial soup.

    time and space are infinite therefore the possibilities are infinite.

    you and your kind can spend your lives trying to unlock the secrets of life in a lab, telescope, microscope, petri dish, test tube, etc.

    I put my faith in spiritual science. I chose to live in a spiritual world while confined to this 3 dimensional physical world. I do not fear death, and I have found great purpose in this life.

    please respect my beliefs as I respect yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    Sure, if you want to ignore data.


    Um, no. If you research the topic on sites not affiliated with tin foil hat theories, you could find a plethora of data showing effectiveness.


    Just a couple in my 1 min google search.


    Proof that all vaccines contain these things?
    like I said the debate can go on forever. so i'm over it wasting my time with it. you vaccinate and I will not. my choice your choice.

    as far as proof the, center for disease control locks my computer and prevents it from entering their site. maybe you can find success.








    NIP: Vacsafe/Concerns/Gen/Human Cell Cultures in Manufacturing ...

    http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conce.../humancell.htm

    Jun 06, 2000 Use of Human Cell Cultures in Vaccine Manufacturing. CDC's responsibility is to ... , and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal ...





    NIP: Vacsafe/Concerns/Gen/Contamination of Vaccines

    http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conce...tamination.htm

    Sep 28, 1997 Vaccine manufacturers obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks. Fetal Tissue and Vaccines. ... Centers for Disease Control and


    I did however find that some vaccines contain fetal bovine serum. like I said its your choice, but I don't think I want to inject fetal bovine dna directly into my blood stream any time soon.

    http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?q=fetal...ell=1&ie=UTF-8

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    yall just need to give up on this guy.. some people (hipsters) just try to do there own thing thinking there cool but in reality there not. go ahead ignore the data, but when your sleeping and jesus comes to you and your dreams and ***** smacks you dont blame me.