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    As stated above, its unknown whether GMO food is safe or not, because there is little research, but don't you think we should have the right to decide at the grocery store to know if we are buying GMO food or not? As of now, there is no law that mandates labeling of GMO food. Mansanto has such a wide grip on the food market, that its food is in an extremely large amount of every day products. Making GMO labels mandatory would at least give consumers the knowledge of what they are buying, else, we have no idea if its regular corn or GMO corn and right now the products don't have to label this.

    If the USDA wants to let them sell untested GMO food, then fine, but at least allow us consumers to know what we are buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swellinfo View Post
    As stated above, its unknown whether GMO food is safe or not, because there is little research, but don't you think we should have the right to decide at the grocery store to know if we are buying GMO food or not? As of now, there is no law that mandates labeling of GMO food. Mansanto has such a wide grip on the food market, that its food is in an extremely large amount of every day products. Making GMO labels mandatory would at least give consumers the knowledge of what they are buying, else, we have no idea if its regular corn or GMO corn and right now the products don't have to label this.

    If the USDA wants to let them sell untested GMO food, then fine, but at least allow us consumers to know what we are buying.

    I don't disagree with that but the reason they are hesitant to label GMO foods is because they know how the uneducated masses jump onto bandwagons, and they don't want to stifle the consumption of GMO foods before they are entirely established and integrated into our food supply. It's about money, not some grand dark conspiracy of controlling people. It's all about profit at the end of the day for these guys.

    I don't think the problem lies itself with GM foods. I think that people's limited understanding of the mechanisms involved create unfounded hysteria. At the same time it is true it is still unproven whether GMO foods are safe or not.

    When I was an undergrad I did my senior dissertation on the safety of GMO foods. That was in 2010. At the time there were only a dozen or so legitimate studies done testing GMO foods on rats, and most of them were done by one of two opposing groups. One was funded by monsanto and one wasn't. Of course they had contrary results. The end result of my research was that the answer was far from found and with GM in it's infancy that was not surprising. What is surprising is that none of those tests were even performed until almost a decade after the USDA had ruled that GMO foods were substantially equivalent to their non GMO counterparts, which rendered them not only safe for sale but allowed them to be unlabeled.

    Seems like the testers were a little late to the party.


    A lot of it comes back to complacency though. I'm not lying when I say that every single person I interact with on a regular basis has heard me talk about GMO soy if not a whole spiel about food in general. They are usually interested, and agree with how corrupt the realtions between big business and government have become. But at the end of the day they don't let the reality of what I have told them affect what they eat. You see, you can inform people until you're blue in the face. The sad stark reality is that most of them will nod, agree, and then go back to doing exactly what you had spoke against. Namely eating foods that are hardly foods at all, but they taste good, and are convenient. And so it goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by northendcanyon View Post
    I don't disagree with that but the reason they are hesitant to label GMO foods is because they know how the uneducated masses jump onto bandwagons, and they don't want to stifle the consumption of GMO foods before they are entirely established and integrated into our food supply. It's about money, not some grand dark conspiracy of controlling people. It's all about profit at the end of the day for these guys.

    I don't think the problem lies itself with GM foods. I think that people's limited understanding of the mechanisms involved create unfounded hysteria. At the same time it is true it is still unproven whether GMO foods are safe or not.

    When I was an undergrad I did my senior dissertation on the safety of GMO foods. That was in 2010. At the time there were only a dozen or so legitimate studies done testing GMO foods on rats, and most of them were done by one of two opposing groups. One was funded by monsanto and one wasn't. Of course they had contrary results. The end result of my research was that the answer was far from found and with GM in it's infancy that was not surprising. What is surprising is that none of those tests were even performed until almost a decade after the USDA had ruled that GMO foods were substantially equivalent to their non GMO counterparts, which rendered them not only safe for sale but allowed them to be unlabeled.

    Seems like the testers were a little late to the party.


    A lot of it comes back to complacency though. I'm not lying when I say that every single person I interact with on a regular basis has heard me talk about GMO soy if not a whole spiel about food in general. They are usually interested, and agree with how corrupt the realtions between big business and government have become. But at the end of the day they don't let the reality of what I have told them affect what they eat. You see, you can inform people until you're blue in the face. The sad stark reality is that most of them will nod, agree, and then go back to doing exactly what you had spoke against. Namely eating foods that are hardly foods at all, but they taste good, and are convenient. And so it goes...
    Compliacncy, ignorance, money what does it matter. Monsanto does not have to adhere to any government regulations. Unlike a small organic farm, or small business that is heavily regulated. These regulations make it sometimes impossible for a small business stay afloat. If Monsanto is unregulated there is no telling what is next. They are already working on GMO foods containing vaccines. And with people like Bill Gates, who advocates for population control through vaccines on Monsanto's board of direction, they is no telling what's in store for the future. So don't think for a minute that there might not be any hidden agenda other than money.
    http://www.politicolnews.com/gmo-food-adds-vaccines/

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    Quote Originally Posted by archy View Post
    Compliacncy, ignorance, money what does it matter. Monsanto does not have to adhere to any government regulations. Unlike a small organic farm, or small business that is heavily regulated. These regulations make it sometimes impossible for a small business stay afloat. If Monsanto is unregulated there is no telling what is next. They are already working on GMO foods containing vaccines. And with people like Bill Gates, who advocates for population control through vaccines on Monsanto's board of direction, they is no telling what's in store for the future. So don't think for a minute that there might not be any hidden agenda other than money.
    http://www.politicolnews.com/gmo-food-adds-vaccines/

    I think you went a little too far down the rabbit hole, which is actually playing into the hand of monsanto. You go around saying things like bill gates is an advocate of population control through the administration of vaccines and people are going to go "huh?" See that doesn't make any sense, because vaccines save lives they don't jeopardize them.

    Also if they are attempting to control the masses and they succeed then I say game well played. People have willingly yielded their abilities to fend for themselves for the sake of convenience. I know that if there was no supermarket up the road I would probably starve. Our generation, and the ones before us, have forgotten how to live off the earth and to feed ourselves and in the same fashion have let us, their ancestors, down. It's our own fault, we have only our direct ancestors to blame.

    Educate yourself and your children, and anyone else who will listen. But don't place the blame on monsanto entirely because we shoulder more of it than we are willing to accept and they are simply taking advantage of our complacency.

  5. First Intelligent thread ever on Swell Info that did not get highjacked within the first page. Thanks all.
    Also, I am completely against GM food. Educate yourself. Buy local. Grow as much as you can or you will slowly be poisoned by Big Brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northendcanyon View Post
    I think you went a little too far down the rabbit hole, which is actually playing into the hand of monsanto. You go around saying things like bill gates is an advocate of population control through the administration of vaccines and people are going to go "huh?" See that doesn't make any sense, because vaccines save lives they don't jeopardize them.

    Also if they are attempting to control the masses and they succeed then I say game well played. People have willingly yielded their abilities to fend for themselves for the sake of convenience. I know that if there was no supermarket up the road I would probably starve. Our generation, and the ones before us, have forgotten how to live off the earth and to feed ourselves and in the same fashion have let us, their ancestors, down. It's our own fault, we have only our direct ancestors to blame.

    Educate yourself and your children, and anyone else who will listen. But don't place the blame on monsanto entirely because we shoulder more of it than we are willing to accept and they are simply taking advantage of our complacency.
    That is my problem with old archy. I agree with some of the stuff he posts, and I am pro local and organic foods. Then he goes off on a tin foil rant about vaccines and the evils of modern medicine.



    An interesting article about people that believe in all conspiracy theories.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/ma...fb-share&_r=1&

    I also agree that more studies need to be done on the effects of GMO.
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    Ethiopia has banned all GMO crops. . . .They don't even have food in the first place! We the american people are the biggest science experiment in the world. Treating us like test rats. Think I'm crazy look at the study on GMOs effects on test rats . . . . .

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    Kind of makes you wonder why the bee population has rapidly decreased over the years.Nothing to pollinate anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocsurf32 View Post
    Ethiopia has banned all GMO crops. . . .They don't even have food in the first place! We the american people are the biggest science experiment in the world. Treating us like test rats. Think I'm crazy look at the study on GMOs effects on test rats . . . . .
    Another problem with GMO, is that it is a catch all term. I am ok with modifying in ways that help selective harvests grow with less water or poor soil. I am not so crazy about the modification to function as a pesticide. The plants I eat shouldn't kill insects. That could be paranoia on my behalf, but we need more data to prove it is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoodVibes View Post
    Kind of makes you wonder why the bee population has rapidly decreased over the years.Nothing to pollinate anymore.
    That is a combination of things. New pesticides are really hitting the bees.