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    Quote Originally Posted by hanna View Post
    when my 3-d printer goes online, i will crank out my own fcs fins at will.
    Thinking outside the boxxxx!!! Are you going to dip them in resin or spray them with polyclear cote? Please keep me updated. I will buy a set (if they are less than a couple dollar). Please advise. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisurfdogg View Post
    Thinking outside the boxxxx!!! Are you going to dip them in resin or spray them with polyclear cote? Please keep me updated. I will buy a set (if they are less than a couple dollar). Please advise. ;-)
    why go plastic. making fcs fins is too easy. 26 layers of 4oz. layup on a piece of glass or anything with true flatness.trace favorite fin outline. cut out. sand and foil. total cost about $3-5 per fin set. bam

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtanticO View Post
    why go plastic. making fcs fins is too easy. 26 layers of 4oz. layup on a piece of glass or anything with true flatness.trace favorite fin outline. cut out. sand and foil. total cost about $3-5 per fin set. bam
    I love my old FCS TC Redlines and the Sunny Garcia's. They hold really well in big surf, and make my swallow tail able to surf in heavy waves. My old school buddy who shapes everything from hydrofoil wakeboards to semi-guns still swears by glass ons. I thinks he is too set in his ways, but he can way outshred me so he is probably correct. But less skill = need for crutches/ gimmicks and I will try everyone until I too can shred 23 footers and 2 foot mush with aplomb. Photos not forthcoming.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by AtanticO View Post
    futures putting the screw in front makes perfect sense because the trailing edge of the fin is always in the same spot on the box. gotta hinge in there. futures box is roughly 4.5" but some fins have smaller or bigger bases. AM2's for example, at 4.75, are kinda run up above the screw whole, where as f4's at 4.25 (i think) are shy of it.

    besides, water runs over more then you'd think. i.e., empty fin boxes trip people out and they think it's gonna affect something. reality is the water just passes over with little trouble.
    you'd have to prove that for me to believe it. An empty future box leaves a pretty square big hole (fcs, not so much). The drag might not be so noticable, but, mentally, it's pretty ugly...like the gaps under fcs fins. I'm buying a box filler for my empty center box...looks better.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtanticO View Post
    why go plastic. making fcs fins is too easy. 26 layers of 4oz. layup on a piece of glass or anything with true flatness.trace favorite fin outline. cut out. sand and foil. total cost about $3-5 per fin set. bam
    once, I started to make my own fins...then realized it was more complicated than I thought and the possibility of making a real pos was too high. Leave it to the computers and cnc machines - much better product. However, if you have some old fiberglass glass-ons, ripped of your old 80s boards, you can cut out some tabs and make some nice/cheap trailer fins for fcs quads or a tri (just be sure to score a notch on the sides of the tabs so they can break away under too much stress). Never tried to do that for future boxes, but seems equally as easy.
    Last edited by waterbaby; Jul 17, 2013 at 02:02 AM.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by waterbaby View Post
    you'd have to prove that for me to believe it. An empty future box leaves a pretty square big hole (fcs, not so much). The drag might not be so noticable, but, mentally, it's pretty ugly...like the gaps under fcs fins. I'm buying a box filler for my empty center box...looks better.

    once, I started to make my own fins...then realized it was more complicated than I thought and the possibility of making a real pos was too high. Leave it to the computers and cnc machines - much better product. However, if you have some old fiberglass glass-ons, ripped of your old 80s boards, you can cut out some tabs and make some nice/cheap trailer fins for fcs quads or a tri (just be sure to score a notch on the sides of the tabs so they can break away under too much stress). Never tried to do that for future boxes, but seems equally as easy.
    unless water is sticking hard to the bottom of your board (bad) it's passing over the open boxes. i know you think it's not 'aerodynamic', or whatever, lol, but the 'hydrodynamics' involved with surfing say otherwise. modern boards are mostly based around some sort of concave bottom which puts air under your board and the pressure in the empty box lets water pass right over it.

    i've made tons of fins over the years. out of all kinds of materials. not to hard. especially fcs. too easy. futures are a little more involved. people have been making fins since way before machines got involved. but i understand that it's not for everyone. it involves trying, and some people are just better at being consumers.

    your worried about looks....lol. don't want to ruin your tufflite popout, surfboard modeling career huh? i hear you though, surfing is very psychosomatic.
    Last edited by AtanticO; Jul 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtanticO View Post
    unless water is sticking hard to the bottom of your board (bad) it's passing over the open boxes. i know you think it's not 'aerodynamic', or whatever, lol, but the 'hydrodynamics' involved with surfing say otherwise. modern boards are mostly based around some sort of concave bottom which puts air under your board and the pressure in the empty box lets water pass right over it.

    i've made tons of fins over the years. out of all kinds of materials. not to hard. especially fcs. too easy. futures are a little more involved. people have been making fins since way before machines got involved. but i understand that it's not for everyone. it involves trying, and some people are just better at being consumers.

    your worried about looks....lol. don't want to ruin your tufflite popout, surfboard modeling career huh? i hear you though, surfing is very psychosomatic.
    huh? still no proof and a lot of small wave boards use a V bottom through the center, not concave.

    we also haven't seen any these "tons" of great fins you've been making. How did you put "cant" into your home fins?...or are they all just completely vertical? Even if you posted pics of them (and they were actually your work), the details, sight unseen, would be questionable...and performance could only be determined by riding them. You've implied you're not worried about looks, so has this transferred to your fins?

    Yeah, I like to look as good as possible when surfing...it's called style. Surfers with no style are called kooks. When things are ugly for no reason, I fix it. If I have to make things ugly for better performance, I do that too. I haven't owned a tuflite since 2008, but when I did, I sanded off all the gloss coat to make it function better - some would say I "ruined" it. I recently saw a photo of a pro with a box filler in his center future slot...doubt he's getting paid for that, so maybe he knows something we don't.
    Last edited by waterbaby; Jul 17, 2013 at 05:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterbaby View Post
    huh? still no proof and a lot of small wave boards use a V bottom through the center, not concave.

    we also haven't seen any these "tons" of great fins you've been making. How did you put "cant" into your home fins?...or are they all just completely vertical? Even if you posted pics of them (and they were actually your work), the details, sight unseen, would be questionable...and performance could only be determined by riding them. You've implied you're not worried about looks, so has this transferred to your fins?

    Yeah, I like to look as good as possible when surfing...it's called style. Surfers with no style are called kooks. When things are ugly for no reason, I fix it. If I have to make things ugly for better performance, I do that too. I haven't owned a tuflite since 2008, but when I did, I sanded off all the gloss coat to make it function better - some would say I "ruined" it. I recently saw a photo of a pro with a box filler in his center future slot...

    hahaha! your too funny. did you really say "i like to look as good as possible"? either your a flaming homo or a high school girl. do you work for a living? what you said translates to: im a mindless, hyper consuming, trustfundbaby who is brain washed by advertising. i want to be just like the cool dudes with pretty stickers and fashionable surf gear!

    style is about HOW you surf. if you consider 'style' being fashionable while walking down the beach then you should gay-bash yourself.

    claiming you haven't owned a tufflite since 2008... was that during your 'confused' phase in college?

    your wrong about v bottoms. most modern 'small wave' shortboards have concave to V out the tail. but you shouldn't think to hard about it, its over your head.

    yeah, i just make fins by beating on them with rocks and sticks. lol. i grew-up working in a glass shop. have family members who've also worked in the industry for along time. sh!t, i learned how to layup fins from the masters at rainbow fins. but you've never heard of them because you obviously haven't surfed too long kid. i can tell you'd get mean-mugged right out of lineup most places. yeah, your one of those.

    why don't you get back on your razor scooter and wiggle your way back to fashion week... cupcake
    Last edited by AtanticO; Jul 17, 2013 at 06:32 PM.

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    I'm all about the DIY... but I don't underestimate the skill of a great fin foiler. It takes a good eye and a good hand... even better if you have two! I've built a lot of fins, mostly out of wood, but will tell you I'm no master, and would much rather trust the guys at True Ames or Rainbow than myself when it comes to building a perfect fin. There's no shame in saying you're a lousy fin foiler... it's a special skill set, IMO.

    As far as ventilation goes... I'm not sure fin box drag and ventilation are related. But I will say that once the plug slots are filled with water (not air... that would be my guess) it's the same effect... very little drag. The cosmetic issue is a personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post
    I'm all about the DIY... but I don't underestimate the skill of a great fin foiler. It takes a good eye and a good hand... even better if you have two! I've built a lot of fins, mostly out of wood, but will tell you I'm no master, and would much rather trust the guys at True Ames or Rainbow than myself when it comes to building a perfect fin. There's no shame in saying you're a lousy fin foiler... it's a special skill set, IMO.

    As far as ventilation goes... I'm not sure fin box drag and ventilation are related. But I will say that once the plug slots are filled with water (not air... that would be my guess) it's the same effect... very little drag. The cosmetic issue is a personal choice.
    exactly. well put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtanticO View Post
    hahaha! your too funny. did you really say "i like to look as good as possible"? either your a flaming homo or a high school girl. do you work for a living? what you said translates to: im a mindless, hyper consuming, trustfundbaby who is brain washed by advertising. i want to be just like the cool dudes with pretty stickers and fashionable surf gear!

    style is about HOW you surf. if you consider 'style' being fashionable while walking down the beach then you should gay-bash yourself.

    claiming you haven't owned a tufflite since 2008... was that during your 'confused' phase in college?

    your wrong about v bottoms. most modern 'small wave' shortboards have concave to V out the tail. but you shouldn't think to hard about it, its over your head.

    yeah, i just make fins by beating on them with rocks and sticks. lol. i grew-up working in a glass shop. have family members who've also worked in the industry for along time. sh!t, i learned how to layup fins from the masters at rainbow fins. but you've never heard of them because you obviously haven't surfed too long kid. i can tell you'd get mean-mugged right out of lineup most places. yeah, your one of those.

    why don't you get back on your razor scooter and wiggle your way back to fashion week... cupcake
    wow, you're really getting bent out of shape...or caffeine is getting the better of you. You talk really big on the internet...compensating? Gotta admit, you're really getting the unnecessary derogatory comments thing down pat - nice work.

    you said it yourself: the V travels down the centerline of the tail...right where the center box is.

    Actually, I've owned several rainbow fins - they're decent, but I've had better. They're made in Santa Cruz, just north of where I surf...didn't know they had a factory in jersey. As far as your "apprenticeship", I wouldn't be surprised, at this point, if you're blowing that way out of proportion, too.

    you can sit around and mean mug all you want, but I wouldn't give a **** considering I'd be busy surfing...and well. Style is all inclusive. I surf with style and make an effort to not look like or carry myself like a slob, either...similar to most decent surfers. I guess you have a beef against anyone with an airbrush job on their board or color on their wetsuit or their fins, etc? - all of those are form, not function.
    Last edited by waterbaby; Jul 17, 2013 at 08:18 PM.

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