As a removing addict I hate see to anyone die from addiction but especially someone who had so much talent and its a shame his son never got to know his father RIP Andy
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Jul 25, 2013, 01:20 PM #11Member
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Jul 25, 2013, 01:21 PM #12
Armstrong didn't "look" like he took PED's.
Lyin' Braun didn't "look" he took PEDs.
Pro track & field just lost 3 world record holders who got busted.
The majority of the pro cycling tour athletes are or were on PEDs at one time or another ... and those guys look like they need to eat a few more meals!
Point being, it's no secret that there are many PEDs that an athlete can consume that don't change body mass but do improve performance. Many PEDs improve the ability to recover really quickly in terms of anaerobic activity; isn't that what surfing is heavy on? Not being tired, able to turn & paddle into more better waves than your competitor?
You seem to believe that anyone can tell if an athlete is on PEDs by the physical changes in said athlete. It's just not so.
Second point: no athlete who dominates his sport as massively as Slater has done has been proven to be clean. None, no way, nada, no how.
Shawne Merriman (many in the NFL are dirty)
Look at the ripped guys in the NBA....no way are they clean
Third point: in any endeavor, the criminals are always a step ahead of the enforcers. In the case of PEDs, there's billions of 'legal' money at stake in terms of corporate sponsorships & product endorsements, so it behooves certain sports to look the other way in re: PEDs.
My 2 cents.
Yes, I believe Slater has taken or is currently taking PEDs. Particularly in the years prior to 2010.
(And I like the guy, I'm a fan of his ability; he's classy & a gutsy competitor & a terrific representative for surfing. Love watching him surf.)
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Jul 25, 2013, 01:27 PM #13
Former Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) mastermind Victor Conte. "Look at the biceps of Tour de France riders. They're 9-10 inches [in circumference]. We know they use anabolic steroids, specifically testosterone. For the most part, these drugs -- meaning the whole category of anabolic steroids -- are recovery drugs. They are very powerful. Would they be a benefit to an NBA player? Absolutely."
Jul 25, 2013, 01:27 PM #14
Charles Yesalis, a Penn State emeritus professor and sports doping expert, concurs.
"Distance runners have been using anabolics and growth hormones in very small doses for years," he says. "Not to build muscle. But to help recuperate. The myth of [PEDs] making you muscle-bound is so over."
Jul 25, 2013, 01:27 PM #15
It's a dirty world, bruddah...
Jul 25, 2013, 01:46 PM #16
Jul 25, 2013, 01:55 PM #17Member
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Jul 25, 2013, 02:04 PM #18
I'm not saying that you're going to be able to tell every juicer by physical appearance, all the time, the lack of change to Kelly's physical appearance is just one of the factors that contribute to my thinking he probably doesn't take PEDs. And Ryan Braun absolutely looks like he took PEDs, look at him in 2008 compared to how he looks now.
As for athletes who have dominated their sports:
Tiger (I would put my money on him juicing over Slater, to be fair, but no proof here)
Tom Brady? Peyton Manning? Or RBs, who are obvious candidates? Peterson? Chris Johnson? Edgerrin James? Marshall Faulk? Emmitt Smith?
Pujols? Pedro Martinez? Halladay?
LeBron? Jordan? Kobe?
The list can go forever.
How does one prove to be clean? You only get proven to be dirty, in the absence of a positive test, people like you will always be wondering. And I don't know that "look at the ripped guys in the NBA....no way they are clean" is a strong case. No proof required, eh? Everyone in every sport is dirty then?
Lastly, Kelly has been the most outspoken surfer on tour about the need for a drug testing program.
I'm not unrealistic about PEDs in sports. I follow most of the "mainstream" sports very very closely and am fully aware of how widespread PED use is. And I'm actually not a huge slater fan. I obviously respect the crap out of him, love watching him surf, and think he is the greatest surfer ever and a terrific ambassador for the sport, but I generally root against him just cause he's won so much. I just don't see the PED thing when it comes to him.
Jul 25, 2013, 02:06 PM #19
Ha it took me too long to discreetly type that while pretending to work, didn't mean to post the same thing as you, im way better than you
Jul 25, 2013, 02:16 PM #20Member
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